Age 70 being discussed

[Flyerdan]

And replace it with what? The buttkissing system? Whoever gets their monthly bid in first system?

You guys crack me up. You want the left seat so bad, you'll propose anything, forgetting that the alternate system you propose for your benefit could ultimately bite you in the butt.

You have heard of the "Law of Unintended Consequences" haven't you?

Seriously, Abe...what's your proposal?

P.S. I wonder how many of you young studs who are so outraged about the change in the retirement date will punch out at 60. After all, it was the law when you took your first flying lesson.

Perhaps they should find a compromise position like this: Do away with the mandatory retirement age but at age 60 you can no longer hold a First class medical forcing you back into the right seat and a SIC position. Then the over 60 crowd can stay on for as long as they want in a mentor role to all the newly upgraded Captains sitting in the left seat.

 

[pilotyip]

Perhaps they should find a compromise position like this: Do away with the mandatory retirement age but at age 60 you can no longer hold a First class medical forcing you back into the right seat and a SIC position. Then the over 60 crowd can stay on for as long as they want in a mentor role to all the newly upgraded Captains sitting in the left seat.

great idea!!

 

[flyboyike]

# 1, why do you assume all old Captains are broke?

#2, why can't your believe in your deluded little minds that some people actually enjoy working?

#3, not everyone is as lazy as some members of your generation, where they want to sit home on their fat ass collecting a pension/social security check.

How about actually answering my question?

 

[flyboyike]

great idea!!

It is, actually, but the geezers will never go for it.

 

[pilotyip]

It is, actually, but the geezers will never go for it.

This one will, if you like to fly airplanes, it does not matter the airplane or the seat. If you are in it for other reasons, you may be disappointed

 

[Fubijaakr]

This will also free up the left seat for the junior pilot as well as give the option of staying around longer. Would this satisfy the career expectation while also helping in recovery of unforseen economic hardships?

Why, exactly, does a seat need to be "freed up?" Why are you entitled to ANY "career expectation," especially in aviation, a notoriously fluid occupation?

No one who has ever put on an airline uniform didn't understand two things: its a seniority system and furloughs happen.

Again, WHY is ANYONE owed a job or an upgrade on some imagined schedule?

Perhaps they should find a compromise position like this: Do away with the mandatory retirement age but at age 60 you can no longer hold a First class medical forcing you back into the right seat and a SIC position. Then the over 60 crowd can stay on for as long as they want in a mentor role to all the newly upgraded Captains sitting in the left seat.

Not a bad idea if you pay protect me at Capt. rate.

 

[Axel]

... Then the over 60 crowd can stay on for as long as they want in a mentor role to all the newly upgraded Captains sitting in the left seat.

Mentor role. Sure. Here is a young mind eager to draw on and learn from the experience of those who have gone before him:

... Apparently, some of the fossils haven't acquired that bit of wisdom, despite allegedly having acquired all wisdom there is and ever was.

Mentor? lol Good luck with that.

 

[flyboyike]

This one will, if you like to fly airplanes, it does not matter the airplane or the seat. If you are in it for other reasons, you may be disappointed

I'm afraid you're the exception. I remember seeing numerous ROPEs (Retired Old Pilot Engineers) flying the panel at FedEx, they didn't look too terribly happy.

 

[flyboyike]

Again, WHY is ANYONE owed a job or an upgrade on some imagined schedule?

Same reason YOU are owed a job after 65, I guess.

 

[Flyerdan]

This one will, if you like to fly airplanes, it does not matter the airplane or the seat. If you are in it for other reasons, you may be disappointed

That is probably another benefit of this idea. The over 60 pilots in it for "other reasons" would probably not step up to the challenge of being a right seat mentor pilot. This would hopefully lead to the result of having mentors who actually have a love of flying and therefore more to share.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Same reason YOU are owed a job after 65, I guess.

What you seem to forget is its already my job. You just want it. Guess you'll be waiting a few more years.

Patience.

 

[flyboyike]

What you seem to forget is its already my job.

Not forever, pops, not forever. Not if there's any justice in the world.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Not forever, pops, not forever. Not if there's any justice in the world.

Nope. Just until I decide to retire or am required to by law. Hope the parents aren't charging you too much rent for your basement bedroom.

 

[flyboyike]

Nope. Just until I decide to retire or am required to by law. Hope the parents aren't charging you too much rent for your basement bedroom.

A lot cheaper than your nursing home bed is going to run, that's for sure.

 

[LongBeachTrijet]

Age 70? Sure, but only under one condition. Only those that will have attained their ATP by the day the law is signed can fly past 65 (or something that would get similar results).
"Greedy" pilots milking the system? Solved
Age discrimination? Solved.
Pilot advancement stagnation and possible furloughs? Solved.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Don't worry about that. I'll have MILLIONS of YOUR lost income dollars saved up.

 

[Kalifornia]

Don't worry about that. I'll have MILLIONS of YOUR lost income dollars saved up.

Age and STRESS, not a good combination

 

[mxer]

Why, exactly, does a seat need to be "freed up?" Why are you entitled to ANY "career expectation," especially in aviation, a notoriously fluid occupation?

No one who has ever put on an airline uniform didn't understand two things: its a seniority system and furloughs happen.

Again, WHY is ANYONE owed a job or an upgrade on some imagined schedule?



Not a bad idea if you pay protect me at Capt. rate.

Thank you for proving a point. It is greed. It's all about the money. If it had to do with the flying, you would be fine with the keeping your job for the extra five years.
Now, the fact is that your a greedy bastard. Not a problem. So am I. Thats why we both left lower wage jobs, military, or anything else short of being at a major.
We are all greedy. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm not greedy for toys. I want nice things for my family and to be able to fund my retirement as well as possible. Just like you!

The trick is to find a compromise that will satisfy each of our greedy butts. Just giving you an extra 5-10 years at captains pay and I get 5-10 at FO pay is not a compromise. After a rule passes, its all about seniority. Before a rule passes its comparing ideas.

Btw, Fubifish, I thought I read that you are still in the right seat. Aren't you debating for the wrong side. It's all in good fun, just wondering.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I guess you shouldn't believe everything you read on Internet public webboards.

SHOCKER!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Proof age 50something should be enacted:
http://www.needlefeltingsupplies.com...t_ep_61-1.html