Age 70 being discussed

[mxer]

I guess you shouldn't believe everything you read on Internet public webboards.

SHOCKER!

No worries. Thats why I asked.

 

[BoilerUP]

Obvious troll is obvious...

 

[mxer]

Me? Not at all. He reponded to my post and I responded back. Due to previous post on another board, I thought he was an FO. I was wrong. No reason for names. Sorry if I offended either of you.

 

[BoilerUP]

Me?

No...not you!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Obvious troll is obvious...

Look! A message from the Department of Redundancy Department.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Proof age 50something should be enacted:
http://www.needlefeltingsupplies.com...t_ep_61-1.html

Yikes... Not sure if age is the "issue" in his case?!!!

 

[Max Q]

Look! A message from the Department of Redundancy Department.

You are old.

 

[Fubijaakr]

You are old.

Master of the Obvious.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

If they placed a "cannot act as Pt 121 PIC" limitation upon this (as in would have to transition back to F/O from age 65-70), I would guess not many would stay. For many, I believe it's as much about ego as $$. They just can't picture themselves with 3 stripes slinging gear for "whippersnappers".

 

[flyboyike]

If they placed a "cannot act as Pt 121 PIC" limitation upon this (as in would have to transition back to F/O from age 65-70), I would guess not many would stay. For many, I believe it's as much about ego as $$. They just can't picture themselves with 3 stripes slinging gear for "whippersnappers".

I would agree, especially what with some geezers now claiming that they are, in fact, NOT broke, but are just staying because they "want to". I bet they'll stop wanting to real fast, if it meant the right seat.

 

[aircombat]

I would agree, especially what with some geezers now claiming that they are, in fact, NOT broke, but are just staying because they "want to". I bet they'll stop wanting to real fast, if it meant the right seat.

Just as you say most are definitely NOT broke. The problem is that back in the 80’s they thought they were going to retire uber rich and now they are only modestly rich. Plus with the fall of the stock markets they are still "losing money". The psychology of money loss is tremendous. Even though they could retire comfortably, they won’t because they are trying to recover money they will never get back. That's why they are so dangerous. It's a desperate act and they are willing to sellout anyone.
This is not just confined to the aviation career. It’s happening everywhere. My parents are the same and are not in aviation. The sad thing is that they have already had lucrative times and when it’s most important for investing in their 30’s and 40’s. With them stagnating and keeping so many out of work that needs to be investing in retirement, they are creating a future poor generation.

 

[pilotyip]

they are creating a future poor generation.

and BO policies are not doing this? $17T debt and growing

 

[zonejumper]

and BO policies are not doing this? $17T debt and growing

Nah...it's MUCH easier to blame your parents AND the entire older generation.

 

[aircombat]

and BO policies are not doing this? $17T debt and growing

That's changing the subject.. but that's definitely not helping our situation. You might remember the baby boomers voted him in. Young people don't vote.
It's just another example of trying to get a quick fix to a large problem at the expense of future generations.

 

[Kalifornia]

Plus you got all these old airline pilot types who got their kids in this profession. Typically, they encouraged this pyramid mess of higher end pay at the top and below poverty starting wages by getting their kids to take short cuts in the career, the ole go to the worst regional in the world and git yer time advice. Greed at the top while pissing on the bottom.

 

[Dornier 335]

meanwhile overseas ...

Just one step away from eliminating mandatory age requirements?

source

EU court rules against Lufthansa pilot retirement rules

By Michael Gubisch


The European Court of Justice has ruled that mandatory retirement of airline pilots at the age of 60, as practised by Lufthansa, constitutes age discrimination and that flight crew should be allowed to work, albeit with certain limitations, until the maximum legal age of 65.
Three former Lufthansa captains had previously complained before German courts that they had to retire at 60 and that their employment contracts should be extended until 65.
International regulations allow airline transport pilot license holders to work until 65. Between 60 and 65, however, they may only fly in a multi-crew environment with one pilot being younger than 60. They have to retire at 65 as the ATPL automatically expires and will not be extended.
However, Lufthansa has a collective agreement with its pilot union, Vereinigung Cockpit (VC), which stipulates that flight crew must retire at 60.
The EU court has now ruled that "prohibiting airline pilots from working after the age of 60 constitutes discrimination on grounds of age". The judges argued that "while the right to act as a pilot may be limited from that age [60], total prohibition goes beyond that which is necessary to ensure air traffic safety".
While the court accepted that individual flight crew members might "no longer possess the physical capabilities to carry out their occupational activity", it was only in "very limited circumstances that such a difference in treatment may be justified".
Both Lufthansa and VC said that the mandatory retirement age of their agreement was never a point of disagreement between them. A spokesperson for the airline stated that the rule has been in place since 1956.
A VC spokesman said that the union was not content with the EU court ruling because there was sufficient medical evidence that human performance, such as sight, the ability to concentrate and co-ordination, diminishes with age and that airline pilots should stop flying at 60.
He questioned what medical expertise the court had used to arrive at its decision.
Lufthansa expects an impact by the ruling in the medium term and therefore wants to find a solution in discussions with VC soon.
There will be no immediate impact, as the EU decision will have to be transferred to Germany's Federal Labour Court to be turned into binding law.

 

[pilotyip]

well hurry this thing up or raise it to 75 so I can get back in that 121 cockpit.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Just one step away from eliminating mandatory age requirements?

source

EU court rules against Lufthansa pilot retirement rules
.

Another example of how the EU is more sophisticated.

Btw, ZJ, love your new avatar.

 

[DX Rick]

Yep, they're going to pass the Age 70 Rule right after they impose size limitations on flight attendants.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Stealing ten years of seniority from junior pilots is an immoral windfall for the guys at the top. If they are proud of it, well they are no different than any other kind of person who steals. Go ahead and try to explain to some smirking punk who steals cars that he is immoral. He just won't get it.

Neither will these boomers who have so poorly planned for their future that they have to steal someone else's. Their entitlement mentality is too ingrained. After years of advancing on other pilots being forced to retire at 60, they conveniently change the rules for themselves. This is a sign of a person who has no personal sense of honor or accountability.

Old age sure can turn people into opportunistic, craven individuals. Which is why they will probably get age 70 passed - politicians are afraid of panicking old people.

 

[100LL... Again!]

The disrespect shown for the elders on here is not only sad, it's mind-boggling. If you boys think you're funny or cool--think again. You're only proving the point many of us make which is you are a bunch of spoiled a$$holes with an astonishing sense of entitlement and self-worth. I truly hope your parents are treated the same way by their co-workers or people in their industry. I imagine those of you with kids (shudder) are raising their offspring with the same "values" you have.

Possibly, but we are not the ones constantly changing the rules for our own advantage.

The boomers wrote the book on entitlement mentality. Classic boomer move to change the rules in your favor and then when someone points out the inequity, call them entitled. This is the boomer mind in a nutshell - the center of the universe from which all other points are measured.

Also, the boomers wrote the book AND the sequel on disrespecting their elders. To hear a boomer complain about respect for elders is the height of hypocrisy.

I, for one, will be quite glad to treat boomers with the same disrespect that they showed to the generation that preceded them. It's just karma.

Don't trust anyone over 30...

 

[pilotyip]

I, for one, will be quite glad to treat boomers with the same disrespect that they showed to the generation that preceded them. It's just karma.

Don't trust anyone over 30...

As a pre-boomer that is why we need age 75 to make up for the wrongs of the boomers when we were forced out at age 60.

 

[flyboyike]

Neither will these boomers who have so poorly planned for their future that they have to steal someone else's.

Well, it's only because when they should have been planning for their future they were at Woodstock "expanding their mind".

 

[007]

I think we should abolish all age restrictions...and when you guys finally die in the seat, because you "love to fly" the smallest aircraft in the company immediately gets parked and an RJ added to the regionals at a third the pay. Rinse and repeat until you are all dead. But at least you will have died knowing that none of us 35 yr old "teeny boppers" ever got to sit in your seat. Since we clearly do not and never will have your massive cojones and skillsets that do not require Viagra or any kind of a paycheck.

 

[sunlitpath]

Many of you assume that you will live to 65. I regret to inform you that many of you will not make it. I am rooting for you!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Many of you assume that you will live to 65. I regret to inform you that many of you will not make it. I am rooting for you!

And some of you will not live to see 55. Rooting for you too! Go crank up that rice burner....

 

[zonejumper]

Well, it's only because when they should have been planning for their future they were at Woodstock "expanding their mind".

Well, that explains the offspring they spawned......:nuts: