UndauntedFlyer
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Andy said:UndauntedFlyer question: "If you were in my place, having your pension ripped away in the 11th hour, would you really want to just quit and give up what you worked for all your life to become a whatever?"
Andy's answer: Yes.
UndauntedFlyer said:Andy:
Why can't you get it. This only has to do with age discrimination. That is the issue.
UndauntedFlyer said:Andy:
Why can't you get it. This only has to do with age discrimination. That is the issue.
UndauntedFlyer said:Here we go again, experienced Hero Pilot from ALOHA forced to retire. Must make room for new pilots. Can they equal this captain?
Every airline pilot has had at least one airborne incident where the lives of the passengers and cabin crew hang on the time-critical decisions made by cockpit flight crew. Essentially, pilots are not paid for when things are going right. We are paid to be there when things go WRONG! When things go really wrong, we all want a highly trained and talented aviator like Capt. Bob Schornstheimer at the controls. Bob worked miracles in landing that severely damaged aircraft at Kahului Airport on Maui over 18 years ago. While I'm sure that the traveling public will always appreciate Bob's flying skill, as a professional pilot, I am in AWE of his skill! Capt. Schornstheimer and First Officer (now Capt.) Mimi Tompkins literally and figuratively accomplished the impossible that day when they saved 100 people's lives. How can we place a monetary value on that? With Bob now drawing a retirement substantially below that of teachers, city bus drivers or even some low-level state employees, it is obvious that our formal government and corporate bureaucracies do not appreciate a man who can save 100 lives in a desperate situation.
This is a good point for a discussion about ALPA's positon. Do you know that from 1959 to 1979 ALPA was totally committed to change the age-60 rule? It was pure age discrimination then. ALPA said that for a pilot to fly past age 60 it was not was not a safety issue.pipe said:A little honesty would go a long way toward legitimizing your point of view. Maybe you should start by being honest with yourself. In fact, had you started that policy thirty years ago this might not be such a hot issue.PIPE
UndauntedFlyer said:This is a good point for a discussion about ALPA's positon. Do you know that from 1959 to 1979 ALPA was totally committed to change the age-60 rule? Flying past age 60 was not a safety issue then. All of a sudden when promotions slowed, ALPA changed 180 degrees. Then it became unsafe to fly past age-60 as long as the retiring pilots had a good pension.
How can anybody believe anything that that organization puts out when they are part of reversals of opinion like this?
Does anyone want to try to explain this on behalf of ALPA? When was ALPA telling the truth: Then or Now?
ALPA has lost its credibility from all unions over this issue and this will be their downfall. No union makes up such lies so as to get rid of their most senior members, and then sends these members out with no pension.pipe said:ALPA may have changed their position on this because of a change in the feeling of their collective membership, new medical studies, or both. Positions change. PIPE
UndauntedFlyer said:This law will change. If it doesn't what can we expect next year, harmony? I think not.
Klako said:
UndauntedFlyer said:From the words of Abraham Lincoln,
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
I believe this union cannot endure, permanently half of one mind and half of another - I do expect it will cease to be divided.
It will become all one thing or all the other.
This law will change. If it doesn't what can we expect next year, harmony? I think not.
Andy said:One quote that I love:
"It is important to remember that the decision to use 60 years of age as an upper limit for commercial air transport operations was arbitrary. Currently, there is equal lack of justification for setting the age limit at 55 years or at 65 years."
pipe said:You know, I think there are a lot of younger guys out there who are reasonable and would entertain options. Phase it in. Make it 61, wait a few years, make it 62, etc..
Nobody in the age raising crowd wants to hear about that though. Why? Because it isn't about age discrimination - it's about immediate personal financial gain at the present and future expense of others.PIPE
UndauntedFlyer said:Will this change this year or next? I don't know. If it changes this year thats what I need to keep working. If its next year I plan to become a "Redneck" and learn to drive an 18-wheeler.
If you mow your yard and find an car, you might be a redneck too.