Age 60 informal poll

[eaglesview]

Retirement age change.

Tell me exactly how I influenced 65. I was opposed to it but the dirt bag union I belong to (ALPA) went forward anyway. That said they could not have stopped it. It cracks me up how folks like you sit at your keyboard and think you know people.

 

[eaglesview]

I'll make a deal with you: I promise to gripe about this no more than 10% of what guys like eaglesview griped about what happened to them at EAL, CAL, TI, and UAL. Deal? Because those guys haven't stopped griping about being screwed then and it's been 25 years.

For the record unlike you I do not spend my time griping. I accept what happened to me and the rest of us at EAL and go on with my life. You seem to have the market cornered with the moaning and groaning. I don't think I could compete there.

 

[kwick]

The House and Senate passed it 100%.


The American public didn't want some unstable nut-cases in command of American Airliners period!

 

[waveflyer]

the bigger fish to fry is scope.
if you are 46 Eagle, and participated in the EAL strike-- then you were REAL young when you did. We don't see young pilots w/ that kind of opportunity b/c so much of the domestic flying has been outsourced. But it doesn't just hurt young guys... it hurts everyone. VA can staff airbusses for $95 an hour b/c it's a step up from mesa and skywest =
The legacy concessions are directly correlated to those same pilots selling out the RJ flying.
If those concessions never happened-- age 65 wouldn't have had the political will to be passed.
Fix scope and we will have leverage again

 

[eaglesview]

the bigger fish to fry is scope.
if you are 46 Eagle, and participated in the EAL strike-- then you were REAL young when you did. We don't see young pilots w/ that kind of opportunity b/c so much of the domestic flying has been outsourced. But it doesn't just hurt young guys... it hurts everyone. VA can staff airbusses for $95 an hour b/c it's a step up from mesa and skywest =
The legacy concessions are directly correlated to those same pilots selling out the RJ flying.
If those concessions never happened-- age 65 wouldn't have had the political will to be passed.
Fix scope and we will have leverage again

I was young at EAL, hired when I was 27, would have been a great career!! You are correct I don't think you will see much of that any more as the landscape has changed.

In fact I agree with most of your statements except the 65 thing. I believe the same politicians that approved the stealing of our pensions while they kept theirs were hell bent on getting that through as a way to "make it up to us."

 

[waveflyer]

And i'll give you that, eagle. The age 65 bill would have happened. I just like to point out how much different this career has been for the young generation. Some of it has been out of our control. Much has had the older generation's support.

If we were at all unified between each other and w/ the union leadership (Prater) and these changes happened- they would be easier to swallow. Many changes have absolutely been lobbied for by the senior at our expense.

My continued point is that is no way to run a union industry. The concessions are a direct result of scope violations.

 

[pipe]

The House and Senate passed it 100%.


The American public didn't want some unstable nut-cases in command of American Airliners period!

That is such a huge misrepresentation. People that latch on to the unanimity of the decision really have no idea of the details. The "vote" was a procedural vote in an EMPTY chamber. Everything else that passed in that session was unanimous too because no one was there. If you weren't there to vote no, then you went down as a yes vote -- and NO ONE was there. I cannot believe that our system of government allows this abortion of a procedure.

PIPE

 

[Flopgut]

For the record unlike you I do not spend my time griping. I accept what happened to me and the rest of us at EAL and go on with my life. You seem to have the market cornered with the moaning and groaning. I don't think I could compete there.

Sorry. I've flown with as many strikers as anybody and I don't believe for a second you don't whine like a baby. Feel free to pretend otherwise here on the internet but many of us know the truth.

It's a clean slate as far as I'm concerned. My scab list is in the trash. You accomplished nothing at EAL and scabs did nothing wrong. Going forward, you are both due the same consideration.

 

[eaglesview]

You accomplished nothing at EAL and scabs did nothing wrong. Going forward, you are both due the same consideration.

You are correct in the end I think the EAL strike was not a success for ALPA, but you finally showed you true colors with "scabs did nothing wrong."

Have a nice life you future scab, you must be so proud.

 

[Flopgut]

You are correct in the end I think the EAL strike was not a success for ALPA, but you finally showed you true colors with "scabs did nothing wrong."

Have a nice life you future scab, you must be so proud.

Between you and I, only one of us campaigned for another pilot's job. That would be you via age 65.