Age 60 informal poll

[Mamma]

Unfortunately the junior pilots can not see more than a 6-months into the future. That is you.

Actually, I can see 15+ years or more into the future for a captain upgrade due to the age 65 rule. I wish it was 6-months.

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Scooter,

Tell me how I did anything to your career. You going to tell me you know how I feel about 65 Ect. You have no idea. I'd like to see you stand up for anything. Go ahead, walk away from a job like I and 100's of other EAL pilots did.

And i am the one full of BS, Get a life.

K. When you lost your job and someone else took it....that was bad. You do no less than the same to someone else? That's OK? Got it. Yes, you are full of BS.

Tear up your list. Apologize to everyone who's had to listen to your "poor wittle me" crap. Or add your name to it. The sum total of good you think you brought to this career was zero'd out with 65.

 

[eaglesview]

K. When you lost your job and someone else took it....that was bad. You do no less than the same to someone else? That's OK? Got it. Yes, you are full of BS.

Tear up your list. Apologize to everyone who's had to listen to your "poor wittle me" crap. Or add your name to it. The sum total of good you think you brought to this career was zero'd out with 65.

Again scooter you have no idea how I vote or feel about any issue. Explain to me why I at 46 am for 65. News flash...my career has now stagnated as well only I don't spend all day moaning about it.

 

[Flopgut]

Forget the exact issue and how it effects either of us personally. You supported a minority issue that short circuited seniority outside the CBA. And I'm worried about what you and other weak members are going to drean up next! Furthermore, I'm finished listening to any striker tell me how crucial and noble their actions were. They are the ones staying at CAL and the ones who wanted this the most. (almost without exception). I'm going to let the scabs off the hook and my list is going in the trash. Because while you may not be one, I don't see much of a difference.

 

[eaglesview]

Forget the exact issue and how it effects either of us personally. You supported a minority issue that short circuited seniority outside the CBA. And I'm worried about what you and other weak members are going to drean up next! Furthermore, I'm finished listening to any striker tell me how crucial and noble their actions were. They are the ones staying at CAL and the ones who wanted this the most. (almost without exception). I'm going to let the scabs off the hook and my list is going in the trash. Because while you may not be one, I don't see much of a difference.

Which issue is that?

 

[Fubijaakr]

News flash...my career has now stagnated as well only I don't spend all day moaning about it.

Amen, EV. All our careers have. And for all the whiners out there, Age 60 ain't coming back. So all the moaning about guys staying on is pissing in the wind.

Time to get over it. This profession has other fish to fry.

 

[Flopgut]

Which issue is that?

Retirement age change.

 

[Flopgut]

Amen, EV. All our careers have. And for all the whiners out there, Age 60 ain't coming back. So all the moaning about guys staying on is pissing in the wind.

Time to get over it. This profession has other fish to fry.

I'll make a deal with you: I promise to gripe about this no more than 10% of what guys like eaglesview griped about what happened to them at EAL, CAL, TI, and UAL. Deal? Because those guys haven't stopped griping about being screwed then and it's been 25 years.

 

[Flopgut]

Time to get over it. This profession has other fish to fry.

Coming from you, that statement worries me.

I mean, I know you actually believe that...you think you've made some sage observation. The concept that we've squandered so much politcal capital in getting the retirement age change that now it's harder to go after the other fish is completely lost on you.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I see your point, but I disagree with the premise. We didn't squander ANY political capital. The change was prompted by the ICAO change. It was a done deal no matter what ALPA's input would have been.

And, that's precisely why they flip flopped on the issue. By dropping their opposition, they were able to get inside the legislation and make the changes that were needed to protect pilots (i.e. no change to medical standard, etc.).

Point is its the law. We'll never go back, so complaining about doesn't help.

 

[eaglesview]

Retirement age change.

Tell me exactly how I influenced 65. I was opposed to it but the dirt bag union I belong to (ALPA) went forward anyway. That said they could not have stopped it. It cracks me up how folks like you sit at your keyboard and think you know people.

 

[eaglesview]

I'll make a deal with you: I promise to gripe about this no more than 10% of what guys like eaglesview griped about what happened to them at EAL, CAL, TI, and UAL. Deal? Because those guys haven't stopped griping about being screwed then and it's been 25 years.

For the record unlike you I do not spend my time griping. I accept what happened to me and the rest of us at EAL and go on with my life. You seem to have the market cornered with the moaning and groaning. I don't think I could compete there.

 

[kwick]

The House and Senate passed it 100%.


The American public didn't want some unstable nut-cases in command of American Airliners period!

 

[waveflyer]

the bigger fish to fry is scope.
if you are 46 Eagle, and participated in the EAL strike-- then you were REAL young when you did. We don't see young pilots w/ that kind of opportunity b/c so much of the domestic flying has been outsourced. But it doesn't just hurt young guys... it hurts everyone. VA can staff airbusses for $95 an hour b/c it's a step up from mesa and skywest =
The legacy concessions are directly correlated to those same pilots selling out the RJ flying.
If those concessions never happened-- age 65 wouldn't have had the political will to be passed.
Fix scope and we will have leverage again

 

[eaglesview]

the bigger fish to fry is scope.
if you are 46 Eagle, and participated in the EAL strike-- then you were REAL young when you did. We don't see young pilots w/ that kind of opportunity b/c so much of the domestic flying has been outsourced. But it doesn't just hurt young guys... it hurts everyone. VA can staff airbusses for $95 an hour b/c it's a step up from mesa and skywest =
The legacy concessions are directly correlated to those same pilots selling out the RJ flying.
If those concessions never happened-- age 65 wouldn't have had the political will to be passed.
Fix scope and we will have leverage again

I was young at EAL, hired when I was 27, would have been a great career!! You are correct I don't think you will see much of that any more as the landscape has changed.

In fact I agree with most of your statements except the 65 thing. I believe the same politicians that approved the stealing of our pensions while they kept theirs were hell bent on getting that through as a way to "make it up to us."