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Age 60 informal poll

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Abolish the Age 60 Rule for other that Part 91 pilots?

  • Yea

    Votes: 668 35.5%

  • Nay

    Votes: 1,214 64.5%
  • Total voters
    1,882
good point Pipe

think about that old guys... especially if you don't need to be flying... you're looking at a generation of pilots that will be well into their 40's before they have any semblance of a career

scope + 65 = boomers = most selfish/wasteful generation
 
waveflyer said:
good point Pipe

think about that old guys... especially if you don't need to be flying... you're looking at a generation of pilots that will be well into their 40's before they have any semblance of a career

scope + 65 = boomers = most selfish/wasteful generation
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Actually the new generation can be very selfish.....I doubt you give a d@mn about the 60 year old who has had to start over 5 or 6 times and is still an FO....

Both sides look at this issue through their eyes.....YOU included......

Changing age 60 has hurt me...but it was the right thing to do.....ALPA originally opposed making 60 the retirement age....But then the A funds came and they supported it....Nobody gave a d@mn about the carriers that didn't have A funds....Then when the A funds went away, ALPA changed their position back again....Politics all around....Get over it.....
 
JoeMerchant said:
Actually the new generation can be very selfish.....I doubt you give a d@mn about the 60 year old who has had to start over 5 or 6 times and is still an FO....

Both sides look at this issue through their eyes.....YOU included......

Changing age 60 has hurt me...but it was the right thing to do.....ALPA originally opposed making 60 the retirement age....But then the A funds came and they supported it....Nobody gave a d@mn about the carriers that didn't have A funds....Then when the A funds went away, ALPA changed their position back again....Politics all around....Get over it.....
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I'm sure the negative effects of an overnight change were earth-shattering at ASA (massive sarcasm intended). The high road gets more and more crowded the less you are personally affected.

PIPE
 
yeah-- gen x has been so selfish in how they've taken it up the arse....
what have we got, that anyone could accuse us of being selfish?
 
waveflyer said:
yeah-- gen x has been so selfish in how they've taken it up the arse....
what have we got, that anyone could accuse us of being selfish?
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11 years as an airline pilot. 4 airlines. Total of nine months as a line holder. Year 7 of a furlough. I have really stuck it to those bastards. At the pearly gates I'm gonna have a hell of a time explaining the abject selfishness.

Oh wait, those guys lost their pensions. Hell, they lost mine before it even started!

PIPE
 
CAL has 300+ pilots over 60. The ERW (early retirement window) that could have provided 100k paid out over 24 months to participants failed to meet the 251 min number needed. So if you are listening to some old guy talk about only going to 62, they are probably lying to you. Taking the lump sum and 100k would have made them whole.

This is why we need to be worried about Prater and this same group wanting to go past 65.

I can tell you this for certain: If CAL interviewed both the potential furloughs and the guys over 60 to see who would stay? The number of both groups would be very near zero.
 
JoeMerchant said:
A

Changing age 60 has hurt me...but it was the right thing to do......
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DING DING DING BULLSH!TTER DETECTED.

It was the "right thing to do" - spare me!

Please please captain sir show another F#*^&! picture of your boat. How about a swell lecture on politics religion or finance.

I'm SO pleased to get another 5 years of listening to your BS.
 
ivauir said:
I'm SO pleased to get another 5 years of listening to your BS.
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I'm glad you have an understanding regarding the value of learning from those who are senior to you.
 
Canceled by UnduantedFlyer
 
SAS laying off oldest pilots

Scandinavian Airlines (SAS), faced with needed cost-cutting and
conflicts in their cockpits, has decided to lay off 50 of its most
senior pilots. SAS has recently been caught in conflict, yet again.

The layoffs will come in conjunction with SAS' decision to withdraw 18

aircraft from service during the winter months. Another 40 veteran
pilots will be laid off during 2009.

SAS spokesman Claus Sonberg told website takeoff.dk on Monday that the

airline had reached agreement with the pilots' union on the looming
layoffs. "We have agreed that the layoffs will affect those who would

soon be retiring regardless, instead of the young pilots," Sonberg said.

That may bring an end, if bitter, to an ongoing conflict between new
and veteran pilots within their own labour organization. Pilots over
age 60 who have chosen to keep working, despite union guidelines that

they retire, have complained that they’ve been bullied by their
younger colleagues.

Civil aviation authorities worried that the bullying was affecting
flight safety. SAS disagreed, but is obliged to address the
authorities' concerns.

Last week came news that SAS planned to lay off 110 pilots. Those with

the most seniority usually are the last to go, but now SAS is
radically altering traditional practice.
 
Mamma said:
SAS laying off oldest pilots


airline had reached agreement with the pilots' union on the looming
layoffs. "We have agreed that the layoffs will affect those who would

soon be retiring regardless, instead of the young pilots," Sonberg said.

That may bring an end, if bitter, to an ongoing conflict between new
and veteran pilots within their own labour organization. Pilots over
age 60 who have chosen to keep working, despite union guidelines that

they retire, have complained that they’ve been bullied by their
younger colleagues.

Civil aviation authorities worried that the bullying was affecting
flight safety. SAS disagreed, but is obliged to address the
authorities' concerns.

Last week came news that SAS planned to lay off 110 pilots. Those with

the most seniority usually are the last to go, but now SAS is
radically altering traditional practice.
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So much for "solidarity".....I guess we are all on our own......
 
Scope out RJ's said:
You were on your own the minute you filed your "lawsuit."
You are the epitome of the "I've got mine," crowd. Oh wait, better yet, "I'll get mine.":puke:
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737Pylt,

We are all in that group.....Look at the United group looking for a national seniority list now....Enlightened self interest rules this group......

D@mn right I am on my own....You aren't looking out for my interests.....you are looking out for YOUR interests.....as am I.......
 
that only works if you negotiate for yourself... convince the powers that be to get rid of seniority in general- and you can start looking out for yourself.

As long as we collectively bargain, your stances will continue to offend everyone on this board. You're not entirely wrong in a lot of the problems you point out--- You just take the conclusions to the absolutely wrong place.
 
JoeMerchant said:
737Pylt,

We are all in that group.....Look at the United group looking for a national seniority list now....Enlightened self interest rules this group......

D@mn right I am on my own....You aren't looking out for my interests.....you are looking out for YOUR interests.....as am I.......
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I think you have an obsession with whoever 737pylt is.
But to answer your question. Your own interests include suiing your fellow pilots to abbrogate their legally binding PWA. I'd say that makes you scum!
BTW, how'd that lawsuit work out for ya?:laugh: Study hard for the crj, its the biggest jet you'll fly with your "shabby" background and your lack of interview skills.
 
The only problem is that those "RJ's" are too big these days. They should be flown by the major carrier.
Scope is a big scam to get around paying pilots. Never lose that fact.
 
rush is wrong. why you put so much faith in a pill popping fat a$$ i have no idea. just look at him-- you don't trust people like that.
get off the propoganda and think- it's the patriotic thing to do.
 
The anti 65 crowd thought that they were entitled to the same career progression that the pro 65 ers enjoyed.
 
pilotyip said:
was dead for year, till Andy dug it up
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Uh, no. I didn't 'dig it up.' My post is dated 05-03-2007 with no edits. Post #1501 in this thread.
The NEXT post is yours, dated 07-07-2008.

Someone VOTED in the poll, resurrecting it from the dead. And instead of letting this thread die again, YOU chose to reply to my year-old post. Nice work, Pilotyip. You owe this forum an apology for breathing life into this acrimonious thread. I'll pass on the apology that you owe me for your libelous statement.

This is my first post on this thread since 05-03-2007. This horse is already on the shelves in Walmart in the school supplies section.
The poll should be locked along with the thread.
 
Thanks

Andy said:
Uh, no. I didn't 'dig it up.' My post is dated 05-03-2007 with no edits. Post #1501 in this thread.
The NEXT post is yours, dated 07-07-2008.

Someone VOTED in the poll, resurrecting it from the dead. And instead of letting this thread die again, YOU chose to reply to my year-old post. Nice work, Pilotyip. You owe this forum an apology for breathing life into this acrimonious thread. I'll pass on the apology that you owe me for your libelous statement.

This is my first post on this thread since 05-03-2007. This horse is already on the shelves in Walmart in the school supplies section.
The poll should be locked along with the thread.
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Everyone like a pat on the back, now which thread would that be?
 
pilotyip said:
Everyone like a pat on the back, now which thread would that be?
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Seriously, are you drunk? Your post is completely incoherent.
You posted at noon Central time; while it may be happy hour somewhere, it is far too early in the day to be drunk. Get some help.
 
It is always happy hour

Andy said:
Seriously, are you drunk? Your post is completely incoherent.
You posted at noon Central time; while it may be happy hour somewhere, it is far too early in the day to be drunk. Get some help.
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At the "Wedge" it is always happy hour, but you would never go there. I hear people without college degrees hang out there. They smoke too, some of them even work at Willow Run. BTW is there 10 steps going down as well as going up? Oh I forgot drinking it now politically incorrect for Air Force people. Me and much of my Navy buddies are going to the club tonight, there even be some ex-enlisted there
 
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ivauir said:
And the "I got mine" crowd wins again. Screw the rest of the industry as long as you get yours. Congratulations, one more way the "me" generation has left its mark on those that followed.
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Don't loose any sleep over it ivauir...soon enough, you'll be plugging for the age-70 rule, so you can stick it to the next guy...it all evens out!

Move on folks, move on...
 

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