AF vs. Navy

[DaveGriffin]

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MAGNUM!!

Take SIG600 up on his offer and get a ride on and off a boat. Then hang around for 24 hours and watch day and night flight ops. It will change your perspective.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone.

 

[Scrapdog]

MAGNUM!!

Take SIG600 up on his offer and get a ride on and off a boat. Then hang around for 24 hours and watch day and night flight ops. It will change your perspective.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone.

Dave - I'd love to get a ride on a Navy tugboat. Could you hook me up with that? That is what you "fly" isn't it...or is the word on the street incorrect? "Dave, the tugboat skipper" - it's got a nice ring to it. :cartman:

 

[DaveGriffin]

Dave - I'd love to get a ride on a Navy tugboat. Could you hook me up with that? That is what you "fly" isn't it...or is the word on the street incorrect? "Dave, the tugboat skipper" - it's got a nice ring to it. :cartman:

Merry Christmas to you Scrapdog. Any in-kind reply from me to your nonsensical taunt would only cause you to go all girly and cry about what a bad guy I am.

So have another glass of Christmas Cheer. I toast your service to your country and your dedication, skill and courage in a dangerous job.

Best wishes for the New Year.

 

[Scrapdog]

Merry Christmas to you Scrapdog. Any in-kind reply from me to your nonsensical taunt would only cause you to go all girly and cry about what a bad guy I am.

So have another glass of Christmas Cheer. I toast your service to your country and your dedication, skill and courage in a dangerous job.

Best wishes for the New Year.

Ahh Dave, poo poo on you. I love to rile you up so I can read your 3 page posts about how well you execute CAS all by your lonesome self while the entire US Air Force can't match you.

Dave - I've never said you're a bad guy. You are, however, way too spun up and you can be a complete tool. Deep, deep down in that tight Navy flight suit and dixie cup, I think there is a good guy...and sometimes you actually show it, even though you try not too.

And Dear Master Close Air Support Dave, I do as well wish you a happy New year.

 

[Oh-ryan]

I bet I have you beat MAGNUM!! in underway CVN landings, C-2s and multiple helo types, as a rider and not the driver. Facing aft in the C-2 is a weird experience launching and landing.

There's nothing cooler in the world than watching night (or day) carrier ops. Maybe you'll get lucky, break out of your protective cocoon, and get a chance to see that some day.

oh, I didn't realize that you had done all these things Dave. Let me shift you from the "Dork" column of my flightinfo.com tracker to the "Not a Dork" column. Being a pax on someone else's ride is waaaay cooler than anything MAGNUM has probably done. Glad we cleared that one up. MAGNUM, you're taking Dave's place in the "Dork" column... sorry dude.

PS
Sorry to all the fellas that have Dave on their ingore list.

 

[DaveGriffin]

oh, I didn't realize that you had done all these things Dave. Let me shift you from the "Dork" column of my flightinfo.com tracker to the "Not a Dork" column. Being a pax on someone else's ride is waaaay cooler than anything MAGNUM has probably done. Glad we cleared that one up. MAGNUM, you're taking Dave's place in the "Dork" column... sorry dude.

PS
Sorry to all the fellas that have Dave on their ingore list.

Just like you Oh-ryan, MAGNUM!! or Scrapdog have probably never had the opportunity to actually land or launch from a CVN. It would be great for their all around fighter experience to actually experience that, even if they are only riders. It would be the ultimate if they could swing a ride in a Super Hornet F model rather than a C-2. Then you could permanently move them off your Dork list.

Even better if they spent a few hours on the LSO platform next to the #1 wire where he can see flight ops up real close. Then a few hours in PriFly and they can see ops from the perspective of the Air Boss. That should give them a well rounded short course.

Hey, after that they could go to Tailhook. There is a Tailhook party in Charlotte this Thursday as part of the Meineke Car Care Bowl festivities. I don’t think many AF guys will be there.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Salad Tossin' Mamma

The original Salad Tossin' Mamma was an Air Force wife (in Kadena-I hear her hubby had the same affinity). Ahhh, the good old days...

 

[stonewall]

Just like you Oh-ryan, MAGNUM!! or Scrapdog have probably never had the opportunity to actually land or launch from a CVN. It would be great for their all around fighter experience to actually experience that, even if they are only riders. It would be the ultimate if they could swing a ride in a Super Hornet F model rather than a C-2. Then you could permanently move them off your Dork list.

Even better if they spent a few hours on the LSO platform next to the #1 wire where he can see flight ops up real close. Then a few hours in PriFly and they can see ops from the perspective of the Air Boss. That should give them a well rounded short course.

Hey, after that they could go to Tailhook. There is a Tailhook party in Charlotte this Thursday as part of the Meineke Car Care Bowl festivities. I don’t think many AF guys will be there.

Here's your problem, Dave. You have very little idea what happens between launch and trap. Contrary to what you may think, fighter aviation is not all about takeoffs and landings. Me and guys like Scrapdog and SIG are much, much more alike than we are different. Once we're all in the fight, how we got there makes no difference. And, yes, AF jets are just as close to the action as any CVN. The LSO has a front row seat...to the traffic pattern.

I think you need to spend some time in the backseat of an F-16 during a night Red Flag or an actual combat mission sometime. You might just realize how little you actually know.

As for the tailhook party, there will probably be more AF guys there than you realize. Further, the Navy fighter pilots in attendance have more in common with the AF fighter pilots than with you. Where did all this animosity for all things USAF originate, anyway? Most mids drop that ******************** once they graduate.

 

[SIG600]

Dave you need to just shut up. The carrier is nothing more than a mobile airport. AF guys play their part just like Navy guys, and you haven't earned the right to take either side, or bash anyone from either community. Generally you suck as a person and I wish you'd quit trying to represent for my community. I barely have the right to say anything... you sure as HELL don't.

 

[Oh-ryan]

Just like you Oh-ryan, MAGNUM!! or Scrapdog have probably never had the opportunity to actually land or launch from a CVN. It would be great for their all around fighter experience to actually experience that, even if they are only riders. It would be the ultimate if they could swing a ride in a Super Hornet F model rather than a C-2. Then you could permanently move them off your Dork list.

Even better if they spent a few hours on the LSO platform next to the #1 wire where he can see flight ops up real close. Then a few hours in PriFly and they can see ops from the perspective of the Air Boss. That should give them a well rounded short course.

Hey, after that they could go to Tailhook. There is a Tailhook party in Charlotte this Thursday as part of the Meineke Car Care Bowl festivities. I don’t think many AF guys will be there.

Dave you are such an ignorant fool. I was in naval aviation for 11 years. Don't you think I may have had some up close and personal exposure to carrier operations during that time? I'll let you ponder that question while you continue to nibble on your foot. I also will just leave it that, because unlike you, I do not feel the need to justify my comments by providing you and everyone else a resume of my accomplishments. I understand why you feel you must do it... I probably would as well if I posted on a SPECOPS message board and I wasn't actually a SEAL or Ranger, etc.

Also, who cares anyway... your wet dream is carrier ops, mine isn't. I respect your love for the boat, just as I respect those who serve on it. Unlike you, I do not think any less of those who did not serve on it. I also do not have the narrowminded attitude of "If you ain't been to the boat you aint sh!t". It's pretty myopic of you to think that CVN ops is the cat's meow and that nothing else compares. Unless you've experienced EVERYTHING there is to do in life it is ignorant of you to make that claim.

Oh well, I am looking forward to some whitty P-3 retort as well as reading about all the other great things you've done and witnessed others do from a pax seat of a CVN aircraft. Forgive me if I don't repond in the future.

 

[scoreboard]

Oh, pardon me, I thought there was some coherent discussion going on here. My bad.

 

[DaveGriffin]

Holy sh*t, a triple team by MAGNUM!!, Oh-ryan and SIG600. I’ll reply to MAGNUM!! since he is the only AF guy of the three.

Here's your problem, Dave. You have very little idea what happens between launch and trap. Contrary to what you may think, fighter aviation is not all about takeoffs and landings. Me and guys like Scrapdog and SIG are much, much more alike than we are different. Once we're all in the fight, how we got there makes no difference. And, yes, AF jets are just as close to the action as any CVN. The LSO has a front row seat...to the traffic pattern.

I think you need to spend some time in the backseat of an F-16 during a night Red Flag or an actual combat mission sometime. You might just realize how little you actually know.

As for the tailhook party, there will probably be more AF guys there than you realize. Further, the Navy fighter pilots in attendance have more in common with the AF fighter pilots than with you. Where did all this animosity for all things USAF originate, anyway? Most mids drop that ******************** once they graduate.

What other response would I expect from the poster boy of the 9 to 5 AF culture? Drop your bombs and head home to a few rounds of golf and happy hour.

While the AF views “takeoff and landing” as just a simple event, the Navy views “takeoff and landing” from a much higher level strategic perspective. The Carrier Air Power Strategy is what truly gives the US a fast global strike capability.

The AF global strike capability may look good on PowerPoint, but it is the Navy that has the actual capability to execute. While an F-16 is RTB and on his second piddle pack (Navy pilots simply use a Gatorade bottle and then sell it to the AF guys as a new lemon-lime flavor), the Navy guys have already landed and rearmed for the next dmpi’s. Being 400 nm from the target is good.

Plus, a CVN doesn’t have to worry about basing rights. It’s all about location, location, location MAGNUM!!

The AF has outstanding pilots, but in 3-5 years there’s not going to be many of them. After force shaping the AF is going to consist of 195 F-22s and 300 pilots. Didn’t you guys just retire the F-117 to buy 2 more F-22s?

Your F-15 and F-16 pilots better hope they make the cut for that final slot of 300 or they will find themselves teaching soaring or basic and advanced unlawful harassment in Colorado Springs. Or there is always the Palace Chase program.

 

[SIG600]

God this guy makes me wanna blow my own head off. They oughta just read this crap to you in SERE in lieu of some of the other "stuff" you get to listen to.

 

[Fury220]

Holy sh*t, a triple team by MAGNUM!!, Oh-ryan and SIG600. I’ll reply to MAGNUM!! since he is the only AF guy of the three.



What other response would I expect from the poster boy of the 9 to 5 AF culture? Drop your bombs and head home to a few rounds of golf and happy hour.

While the AF views “takeoff and landing” as just a simple event, the Navy views “takeoff and landing” from a much higher level strategic perspective. The Carrier Air Power Strategy is what truly gives the US a fast global strike capability.

The AF global strike capability may look good on PowerPoint, but it is the Navy that has the actual capability to execute. While an F-16 is RTB and on his second piddle pack (Navy pilots simply use a Gatorade bottle and then sell it to the AF guys as a new lemon-lime flavor), the Navy guys have already landed and rearmed for the next dmpi’s. Being 400 nm from the target is good.

Plus, a CVN doesn’t have to worry about basing rights. It’s all about location, location, location MAGNUM!!

The AF has outstanding pilots, but in 3-5 years there’s not going to be many of them. After force shaping the AF is going to consist of 195 F-22s and 300 pilots. Didn’t you guys just retire the F-117 to buy 2 more F-22s?

Your F-15 and F-16 pilots better hope they make the cut for that final slot of 300 or they will find themselves teaching soaring or basic and advanced unlawful harassment in Colorado Springs. Or there is always the Palace Chase program.

Bravo!

One of the funniest posts I've ever read here on FI.com...even if your comedy is unintentional. Comedic gems like that one are the reason I haven't put you on my ignore list...


...yet.

 

[ExAF]

Why Not?

Comedic gems like that one are the reason I haven't put you on my ignore list...


...yet.

Meanwhile most of us are hoping you'll come to your senses soon and spare us his drivel. He is a 1-eyed trouser snake that never has had anything worthwhile to contribute.uke:

 

[JimNtexas]

Please don't include massive Dave G. quotes in your posts, it kind of defeats the purpose of the ignore list option.

 

[SIG600]

You read it didn't you? It's like a car accident, you just can't not look.

 

[DaveGriffin]

God this guy makes me wanna blow my own head off. They oughta just read this crap to you in SERE in lieu of some of the other "stuff" you get to listen to.

You must have had the easy SERE class Pat.

 

[SIG600]

edited

 

[Draginass]

Last I checked, both the USN, Marines, and USAF were on the same side and I'm glad of it. Having worked with some Navy guys fragging sorties in Bosnia, I gained a lot of knowledge and respect for the challenges, capabilities, and limitations of carrier operations and for individual Naval and Marine aviators.

There's always a few arrogant pinheads that like to go around engrandizing themselves by denegrating others collectively, but, probably like the rest of their fellow squadron members did, I just consider them entertainment . . . . . but not the kind of guys that you'd drink with.

 

[guppygoshawk]

Last I checked, both the USN, Marines, and USAF were on the same side and I'm glad of it. Having worked with some Navy guys fragging sorties in Bosnia, I gained a lot of knowledge and respect for the challenges, capabilities, and limitations of carrier operations and for individual Naval and Marine aviators.

There's always a few arrogant pinheads that like to go around engrandizing themselves by denegrating others collectively, but, probably like the rest of their fellow squadron members did, I just consider them entertainment . . . . . but not the kind of guys that you'd drink with.

Perfect.

 

[SB Diver]

A great writing from an old S2F pilot who had both a sense of humor and a remarkable way of putting the carrier experience in the following terms. In my (humble) opinion there are those pilots who are tailhookers and those who are not and not much in between...

1. In the Beginning, God created the heavens, and the Aircraft Carrier, and the seas upon which to float it; and yet there was complete Darkness upon the face of the earth. And, as we traveled, there came to us, as a voice out of the darkness, an angel of the Lord, saying, "On centerline, on Glideslope, three quarters of a mile, call the ball." I reflected upon these words, for I was still
yet engulfed in complete darkness. With deep feeling and doubt overwhelming my countenance, I glanceth towards my companion at my right hand and saith, "What seeth thou, Trusted friend?", and there
was a great silence. Gazing in a searching manner and seeing naught, I raised my voice saying, "Clara......."

2. And God spoke to me, and He said, "You're low....power". As the Lord saith, so shall it be, and I added power; and lo, the ball riseth up onto the bottom of the mirror. But it was a tainted red glow, and surely indicateth Satan's own influence. And God spoke to
me again saying, "Power...Power...Power!!!!.... fly the ball." And lo, the ball riseth up and off the top of the lens, and the great darkness was upon me.

3. And the voice of the Angel came to me again, saying, "When comfortable, twelve hundred feet, turn downwind." Whereupon I wandered in the darkness, without direction, for surely the ships radar was beset by demons, and there was great confusion cast upon
CATCC, and there was a great silence in which there was no comfort to be found. Even my TACAN needle spinneth......and lo, there was chaos; my trusted companion weepeth quietly unto himself and from close behind I heard weeping and gnashing of teeth of our flock. There was a great turmoil within my cockpit for a multitude of serpents had crept therein.

 

[SB Diver]

(continued)...

4. And though we wandered, as if by Providence I found myself within that Holy Corridor, and at twelve hundred feet, among my brethren seeking refuge; and the voice of the Angel of the Lord came to me again, asking of me my needles, and I raised my voice saying, "Up and centered", and the voice answered, "Roger, fly your
needles...." I reflected upon these words, and I raised my voice in prayer, for though my gyro indicateth it not so, surely my aircraft hath been turned upside down. Verily, as Beelzebub surely wrestled with me, a voice, that of my trusted companion, saith to me calmly,
"Friend.....fly thy needles, and find comfort in the Lord." And lo, with deep trembling in my heart, I did, and He guideth me to centered glideslope and centerline, though I know not how it came to be.

5. And out of the great darkness, God spoke to me again saying, "Roger ball" for now I had faith. And though the ball began to rise at the in close position, my right hand was full of the Spirit, and it squeeketh off power and as in a great miracle my plane stoppeth
upon the flight deck, for it hath caught the four wire which God in his infinite wisdom hath placed thirty feet further down the flight deck than the three wire.

6. And thus bathed in a golden radiance from above, our pilgrimage was at an end, and my spirit was truly reborn. And as I basked in the rapture, God spoketh to me one final time, and He saith, "Lights out on deck"...

 

[SIG600]

God that was great. 1200' on downwind is about the only place I've got my ******************** in one sock!

 

[VaB]

Awesome!

Did Griffin write that?

 

[Occam's Razor]

"There was a great turmoil within my cockpit for a multitude of serpents had crept therein."

Amen, brother!

Been there....done that.

 

[DaveGriffin]

In the Beginning, God created the heavens, and the Aircraft Carrier, and the seas upon which to float it...

Great stuff SB Driver.

 

[pilotyip]

Needles?

needles in an S2F?

 

[Oh-ryan]

6. And thus bathed in a golden radiance from above, our pilgrimage was at an end, and my spirit was truly reborn. And as I basked in the rapture, God spoketh to me one final time, and He saith, "Lights out on deck"...

7. And then after my legs finally stopped shaking, I climbed out of my mighty jet, stumbled down 7 decks to my 4-man, windowless stateroom under Cat #2 where my shipmates greeted me with open arms and near-beer. They helped me undress and escorted me to the open bay showers, where I violated the ship's water conservation policy and took a 4 minute continuous shower. When I lowered the shower nozzle down to clean the "fromunda cheese" from my junk I couldn't help but think "God, does it get any better than this?".

 

[guppygoshawk]

7. And then after my legs finally stopped shaking, I climbed out of my mighty jet, stumbled down 7 decks to my 4-man, windowless stateroom under Cat #2 where my shipmates greeted me with open arms and near-beer. They helped me undress and escorted me to the open bay showers, where I violated the ship's water conservation policy and took a 4 minute continuous shower. When I lowered the shower nozzle down to clean the "fromunda cheese" from my junk I couldn't help but think "God, does it get any better than this?".

Just wait 'till your shooter tour.