ACY incident?

[Flywrite]

Anyone know about an incident or accident at Atlantic City a short time ago? My wife said she saw a blurb on the news about it, but I cant find anything else. It didnt sound like anything too bad.

 

[2000flyer]

Anyone know about an incident or accident at Atlantic City a short time ago? My wife said she saw a blurb on the news about it, but I cant find anything else. It didnt sound like anything too bad.

Not sure it was ACY but FoxNews was reporting a corporate jet had crashed. Pictures showed a what looked to be a CJ1/2/3 about 100 yards short of the runway in the water. Pax swam to shore, no injuries reported.

2000Flyer

 

[YourNameHere]

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The long runway at Bader is 2948'.


http://www.wnbc.com/news/4491610/detail.html

Plane Skids Off Atlantic City Runway Into Water



POSTED: 9:38 pm EDT May 15, 2005
UPDATED: 9:55 pm EDT May 15, 2005


ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- Four people were rescued Sunday after a plane with apparent mechanical problems skidded of an Atlantic City runway.

The pilot of the private plane was trying to land at Atlantic City's Bader Field, NewsChannel 4 reported.

Because small jets are not allowed to land there, the airport manager suspects the plane was having a mechanical emergency and was forced to land on a runway that was too short for jets.

Boaters nearby rescued the four people aboard in Lakes Bay, a nearby inlet.

There were no major injuries reported.

Witnesses at a ball game near the crash site told NewsChannel 4 the Cessna Citation made three appoaches.

On the third try, they said it looked like the plane was going too fast and skidded off the runway.

 

[bigD]

I'm not familiar with the Atlantic City region, but in every place I've flown, if I'm able to make 3 approaches to land, the emergency isn't so dire that I can't make it to a more suitable airport.

At least everyone made it out safely.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I'm not familiar with the Atlantic City region, but in every place I've flown, if I'm able to make 3 approaches to land, the emergency isn't so dire that I can't make it to a more suitable airport.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

no kidding in the time to make 3 approaches they could have gone over to ACY landed and been parked at the FBO.

 

[FN FAL]

Looks like the N.J. State Police are on the case...

Small Jet Goes Off Runway Into Bay in N.J.

By BRUCE SHIPKOWSKI
Associated Press Writer

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- A small corporate jet landing in Atlantic City ran off the runway when its brakes failed, careening into a bay. None of the four people on board - rescued by a boater and some residents - were seriously injured.

The Charlie Cessna Citation C-25A crashed about 4:30 p.m. Sunday at Bader Field Airport, authorities said.

The pilot, co-pilot and two passengers - all residents of Denmark in Atlantic City for a convention - were returning from a trip to Burlington, Vt. They were taken to a hospital where they were treated and released Sunday night.

An unidentified boater fishing in the area pulled the co-pilot and the two passengers from the jet. Some area residents who saw the crash used a small boat to reach the pilot.

One of the residents, Joe Clark, told the Courier-Post of Cherry Hill that the pilot was "calm but concerned with the plane."

Clark said he thought about using the boat to tow the jet closer to the docks but he abandoned that idea when one of the aircraft's engines suddenly revved up, causing flames and smoke to shoot out.

"I thought it was going to blow up," Clark said.

The 10-passenger jet, owned by Weibel Scientific Inc. of Denmark, was expected to be towed away sometime Monday.

A company spokesman declined comment on the crash, which is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration, the National Transportation Safety Board and state police.

 

[User546]

Just saw the video of it on CNN, that was something to see!

As for the news story FN FAL posted, what the heck is a Charlie Cessna Citation 25-A? They butchered that one! It obviously was a CitationJet 2, which leads me on to the next point. Does ANYONE out there know of a 10-seater CJ2?? We can barely cram 7 passengers into ours (one riding on the lavatory.)

The CJ's have really good short-field performance - we've taken it into 3,500 foot field several times, but I think if the runway is as short as stated, then this guy was just plain nuts.

Dare I go out on a limb here and say "Owner/Operator"??

 

[User546]

Had CNN playing in the background, and they were interviewing a lineman there at the Atlantic City airport.

He said he was suprised to look up and see a jet coming into the airport, he saw on the go-around that it was a jet from overseas, and thought that he might've been lost and meant to be going to the larger airport just a few miles up the road.

He was then shocked when it came by again and made another attempt. Once the wheels touched down he immediately got on the phone to 911, cause he knew the airplane was going to be in trouble.

Another thing he said that was interesting was that in the number of years that he had worked at the airport, the largest plane he had seen fly in there was a "twin propeller" type - and never before a jet.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

yea, bader in a citation is not a good idea
all the wasted crab shells on the runways

 

[ackattacker]

A few more things have me a bit confused as to this pilot's thought process... or lack thereof.

metar from KACY at the time of the crash:

KACY 151854Z 27012KT 10SM CLR 24/14 A2980 RMK AO2 SLP092 T02440144 $

Sandcastle stadium is just to the southwest of the field. Yet news reports say "Just before the crash occurred, the jet repeatedly passed over Sandcastle Stadium". But sandcastle stadium doesn't lie directly under the approach path for any of the runways...

Presumably they landed on rwy 29... I mean, if they went around twice they should have gotten a good look at the windsock. Of course, rwy 29 has a displaced threshold (landing distance 2829'), no visual approach slope indicator, and serious obstacles in the approach path. (Bader field, for those who haven't been there, is actually IN DOWNTOWN. You can walk to the casinos.) If you're landing 29 then you have to fly over downtown Atlantic City (500' tall buildings less than a mile from the threshold) or cut in a very tight base leg. Which is why the only instrument approach choices are from the west, to land 11 or circle.

From the AFD:
- NUMEROUS CRANES (60' TO 200' AGL) OPERATING ON & INVOF ARPT INDEFLY.
- ARPT CLSD 0530-0830 EVERY FRI FOR MAINTENANCE.
- PROTRUDING BULKHEAD APPROXIMATELY 230 FT SHORT RY 22 THLD & 300 FT SHORT RY 29 DSPLCD THLD.
- AUTOMATED UNICOM-ACTVT CTAF.
- SHIP MASTS 35' PASSING IN CHANNEL WITHIN 500' EAST OF ARPT.
- ARPT CLSD INDEFLY TO CAT B-C-D-E ACFT; EXCEPT STOL & ROTORCRAFT; UNDER FAR PART 97.3.
- BIRDS ON & INVOF ARPT.
- NOISE SENSITIVE AREA - MAKE LEFT TURNS ASAP RWY 11 DEPARTURES.
- RY 04 CLSD FOR LANDINGS INDEFLY.
- RY 22 CLSD FOR TAKEOFFS INDEFLY.
- ARPT CLSD TO JET ACFT.

I used to love renting a single engine and flying down to Atlantic City with a few friends. We'd occasionally go into Bader, but even in small single the airport is kind of scary. There are obstacles everywhere, no FBO, and unattended most of the time. The runways were often covered in broken sea shells (from seagulls who pick them up then drop them on the pavement to break them open). Definately ghetto. ACY was frankly more convenient even in a Cessna 172. Why anyone would attempt to land a CJ2 at Bader is beyond me.

Brake failure--- yeah right.

 

[mike1mc]

Why anyone would attempt to land a CJ2 at Bader is beyond me.

Brake failure--- yeah right.

As soon as I heard Citation and Bader all I thought was... dumba**

 

[Hung Start]

This gets better! The latest news blurb is the pilot got one engine started while in the bay, and tried to motor out!!!!!!! What a hoot that must have been!!!!

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[User546]

Brake failure--- yeah right.

Hey, give the guy a break! His brakes did fail....

... Failed to stop his airplane before he ran out of runway!

 

[Groundpounder]

Erik Larson, 61, who was piloting the plane, told officials that he had departed from Burlington, Vt. around 2:45 p.m. and was in the process of making "a routine touch down" at Bader when the braking system apparently failed. The jet then went off the end of the runway and into the water.


Larson's co-pilot, Toft Jesper, 40, and two female passengers -- Mette Tottrup and Louise Anderson, both 20 -- were pulled from the jet by an unidentified passing boater who was fishing in the area. Meanwhile, some area residents who saw the crash used a small boat to reach Larson.

Anyone notice that these two old farts had a couple of young chicks with 'em? Must be nice to have money.......

 

[Hung Start]

Of course, Bader is closed to jets,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, It messes up the brakes.

 

[User546]

This gets better! The latest news blurb is the pilot got one engine started while in the bay, and tried to motor out!!!!!!! What a hoot that must have been!!!!

The latest, greatest jet ski!!!!!!!

You have GOT to be kidding me?! No one in their right mind would try to do this!! Well neither would they try to land a jet on a 2900 foot runway.... I digress.

mike1mc.... your avatar is totally appropriate for this thread!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Its a bit crazy one must admit, but does anyone have the landing numbers on that Citation into Bader?

People go in there in Navajos/414's all the time. Id rather be in a Citation w/reversers....if I HAD to..

after all, a Citation II probably has a slower approach speed and better stopping capability...unless a jacka$$ is at the controls...(apparently)

anyone have the real numbers just for kicks?

 

[VampyreGTX]

You have GOT to be kidding me?! No one in their right mind would try to do this!! Well neither would they try to land a jet on a 2900 foot runway.... I digress.

I don't know, I find it hard to believe too, however, even one of the rescuers said he pulled his boat back away after he started heading there after he heard the engine start up again....

 

[SkyBoy1981]

And people wonder why insurance is so outrageous on 91 corporate aircraft.....