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Accurate DAL/NWA update_re-post from street.com

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Someone else should get credit for this article, but it was too good an update not to share....

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The proposed merger between DeltaDALand Northwest NWA faces a potential collapse, sources say, for an unusual reason -- Northwest's pilots want to arbitrate seniority.

Delta pilots oppose arbitration, which was shown in the 2005 merger between US Airways and America West to be an unreliable method to protect pilots from severe career disruptions.

In the effort to merge Delta and Northwest, "there is a solution still to be had," said a person familiar with the situation. "The door is still open, but not forever. If Delta passes its time line, it will just move on." The window of opportunity is a couple of weeks, the person said.

Delta executives, in a memo to employees late Tuesday, declared that they haven't been able to put together a satisfactory merger agreement.

"To date, we have not arrived at a potential transaction that meets all of our principles," the memo, signed by CEO Richard Anderson and President Ed Bastion, read. "Rest assured that we will not complete a transaction unless all of these conditions are met. We have a strong stand-alone plan. We will maintain our attention on executing that plan while we continue to look at strategic alternatives."

The memo listed five requirements "that have to be met if there were to be consolidation with another airline." Among them is this: "That the seniority of our people is protected."

Additionally, they executives will require any combined airline to be called Delta and headquartered in Atlanta, that employee and retiree pension plans are maintained, "that the network is strengthened and our plans for international expansion are accelerated," and that "that there is even greater job security along with more career opportunities for our people."

The memo didn't mention Northwest or any other airline by name. In fact, Delta has never formally acknowledged that it is talking with Northwest, although the talks have been widely reported.

Before entering intense merger discussions with Northwest, Delta spoke with UAL'sUAUA United and withContinentalCAL, sources say.

When the Northwest deal began to fall into place, the two carriers sought to secure a pilot agreement in advance of their proposed merger, partially due to the close relationship between Delta and its pilots and partly due to a desire to avoid the pitfalls of the merger at US Airways.

There, seniority integration went to arbitration, and the arbitrator ruled that hundreds of pilots with 15 or more years at the former US Airways should be junior to pilots with just a few years at America West. The ruling led to a bitter dispute that now has pilots preparing to vote next month on whether to oust the Air Line Pilots Association as their representative.

In the Delta and Northwest pilot seniority integration effort, the principal problem is that many Delta pilots are younger, with fewer years of service than many Northwest pilots, yet have higher relative seniority due to attrition at the Atlanta-based carrier.

Also, while Delta pilots have a single leadership group, Northwest pilots have two -- the chapter leadership and a merger committee. It's unclear whether the two groups are in full agreement. They concurred on a package that includes pay increases for all pilots, but the merger committee wants an arbitrator to resolve seniority issues.

ALPA merger policy offers little assurance that seniority will be protected in arbitration, says aviation labor law attorney Lee Seham. He represents the US Airline Pilots Association, which is seeking to replace ALPA at US Airways.

In the US Airways pilot seniority hearing, the attorney for the America West pilots argued that seniority had been eliminated from ALPA merger policy in 1991 and therefore should not be considered. That argument appears to have strongly influenced the arbitrator's ruling, he says.


"In ALPA merger policy, seniority suffers from a negative legislative history, because if a seniority integration factor that was [once] recognized is later excised from the policy, that sends a loud message to the arbitrator," Seham says, adding that Northwest pilots "[should] not relegate their members to a crapshoot."

The arbitrator also took the position that US Airways, operating under bankruptcy protection, was in imminent danger of collapse. That wouldn't be a factor in Delta and Northwest arbitration.

The market has shown concern about Delta and Northwest since pilots failed to reach a deal over the weekend. On Monday, the Amex Airline Index rose slightly, but shares in Northwest lost 2.8%, while Delta fell 1.5%, partially reflecting investor doubts about the likelihood of a merger. All three declined on Tuesday.

"This is definitely working at its own pace," says William Swelbar, a researcher at MIT's International Center for Air Transportation. "But in the end, I am going to be surprised if Northwest pilots stand in the way of a deal."

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Arbitration? What? Why? That seems like a really odd choice under the circumstances.
 
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Very interesting......


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NWA pilots have been arbitrating everything but breathing for the last 20 years and are experts at it. Thus feel an arbitration is in there best interest if the proposals are not to their liking. Plus its their right under ALPA policy. This isn't TWA.
 
Quite true, My guess is that they are all bluffing and they will let us go to arbitration.
They know that either way they will get someone to fly the aircraft. It may not be pretty, but it will be done.
 
Thank you for your reply why NWA pilots would want arbitration.

I do not think arbitration is on the table. In fact, there may not be anyone sitting at the table any more.

The NWA pilots may be arbitration "experts" but arbitration isn't the forum where you go expecting a "hail Mary" pass. Arbitrators mostly looks at career expectations, current equipment and pay.

Arbitration's one big advantage is that the MEC is not responsible for their decision - the decision is made elsewhere.
 
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Sorry, but these Northwest pilots sound like a bunch of babies... Mommy will decide for us... Guess what, it didn't work for USAirways/AWA. Do you want a repeat of that situation? Perhaps you could learn from history and structure an agreement yourself - it's called a negotiation.
 
If there is indeed a merger arbitration is always on the table.

Old fashioned thinking gets old fashioned results.

There was a lot of money left on the table. Money for reaching an agreement, which the parties failed to do. You think that money is still on the table?

Lets see do I want-
The same relative seniority I had
Some sort of bonus now
Up to 50% raise
Better working conditions
Better scope
Better B fund
Better career choices with 300% more widebodies
More retirements

~ or ~

No contract enhancements and US Air style arbitration

I do not want the merger either, but I know which I'd choose in an instant.

Curious - why did the NWA pilots not want relative seniority?
 
Curious - why did the NWA pilots not want relative seniority?

Because their seniority is not for sale. They see the bigger picture.
 
Sure we'll take relative seniority as long as it's examined over the span of a career and not a snapshot of today.

5000 NWA pilots, 2500 retiring in 10-15 years.

7000 DAL pilots, 1000 retiring in 10-15 years.

Growth is speculative, retirements are not. Regardless DAL would have to grow by about 5000 pilots for a DAL new hire to see the same seniority progression as a NWA new hire even if NWA has 0 growth.
 
Sure we'll take relative seniority as long as it's examined over the span of a career and not a snapshot of today.

5000 NWA pilots, 2500 retiring in 10-15 years.

7000 DAL pilots, 1000 retiring in 10-15 years.

Growth is speculative, retirements are not. Regardless DAL would have to grow by about 5000 pilots for a DAL new hire to see the same seniority progression as a NWA new hire even if NWA has 0 growth.

Ok. What would the DC-9 pilots fly when that fleet is divested? E175s? A319s? How would that fleet's departure from the mix impact career progression for those specific pilots? What is the plan for the DC9 replacement and those pilots in the short term?
 
Sure we'll take relative seniority as long as it's examined over the span of a career and not a snapshot of today.

5000 NWA pilots, 2500 retiring in 10-15 years.

7000 DAL pilots, 1000 retiring in 10-15 years.

Growth is speculative, retirements are not. Regardless DAL would have to grow by about 5000 pilots for a DAL new hire to see the same seniority progression as a NWA new hire even if NWA has 0 growth.
Those numbers are not correct. Delta has more retirements.
 
I was bored so I looked this up.

Delta has 2949 retiring in the next 15 years.

Alright Nonstop,

How does this new Delta retirement number impact your situation?

Also, in the event that the merger does not happen, how will NWA Diesel 9 pilots be impacted by the withdrawl of the DC9 fleet? What aircraft will replace the 9s and how will that impact those pilots?
 

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