ACA Contract Concessions

[Beantown]

i edited my post.. .do the math Einstein...



1.50 x 24=36 per day

17 x 36 = 612 per month (based on 13 off per month which i was actually less that 13 for my first year)

612 x 12 (months in a year) = 7344....

again.. this is off the top of my head. I have no desire to pull out tons of paperwork. Unless you really want me to fax it..... some things need to remain private...

Now.... the real question is... do you think i was overpaid?

That would make sense if you didn't work (or not work) a single day on reserve in your first year and 24 hr days every day (not possible) you are on duty. Lets face it, the average pilot at ACA makes no where near 36k the first year. 27-28k is much more realistic and would only be a couple thousand more then at Mesa.

Must be the reason you are still furloughed and defending Mesa pilots to get your CCAir job back...lol

Ya jacka$$, I am the only guy out there who has been furloughed a while. Your an ignorant prick. The fact is I have another job offer from another airline but b/c I am at 3rd yr pay, can live at home (CLT) and will have 250 pilots below me at Mesa I will probable go there. Just makes more sense for me and my family. I will be the first to say that I am not looking forward to some of the things that I will have to deal with at Mesa but it is no where as bad as you would like to make others think it is. Good luck to all the guys at ACA. I hope you stand strong, if not, don't blame it on Mesa. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

And you can't do that with 13 days off a month.

Needless to say, if you work that much, you have NO quality of life.

Now imagine 8 days off per month for reserve, and 10 off for line holders with no cancellation pay. Then imagine making 1.15 per diem and horrible pay rates included. And there you have Mesa....

 

[RJPilott]

Ya jacka$$, I am the only guy out there who has been furloughed a while. Your an ignorant prick. The fact is I have another job offer from another airline but b/c I am at 3rd yr pay, can live at home (CLT) and will have 250 pilots below me at Mesa I will probable go there. Just makes more sense.

Thans Bean.. .you have just proven my point and solidified the reason i will not whore myself out. Enjoy...

How does it feel it will take another 3-4 years for you to come close to a second yr FO at ACA?

BTW, get a fax number, and i'll fax it to you. You really seem to be in denial. I'll show you... really

I have a fax... i can afford one.. .for now...

 

[Beantown]

Now imagine 8 days off per month for reserve, and 10 off for line holders with no cancellation pay. Then imagine making 1.15 per diem and horrible pay rates included. And there you have Mesa....

The days off are a minimum, the average pilot gets about 13/14 days off (does that sound familiar to you?). They HAVE cancellation pay (controlled only). The contract sucks, but again, not as bad as you would make it seem. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

okey dokey... if you feel you have a place you will be happy at... all the more power to ya...

I for one couldnt look in the mirror knowing i have invested so much for so little....

and im a pretty good looking guy...


pride my friend.. pride!

 

[Beantown]

Thans Bean.. .you have just proven my point and solidified the reason i will not whore myself out. Enjoy...

It's real easy to sit on this board and yap. It's easy to say that you wouldn't do this or that if you were unemployed. Hopefully you won't have to find out. Again, good luck at ACA. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

It's real easy to sit on this board and yap. It's easy to say that you wouldn't do this or that if you were unemployed. Hopefully you won't have to find out. Again, good luck at ACA. -Bean

i sold cars in the early 90's cause of whores like you. I took limos to NYC while making 52k at age 22. I will gladly go back to it before i share a bedroom with 3 others and debate on who will boil the water for our Ramen noodle dinner with a 0500 show the next morning and 10 off per month.

 

[Beantown]

I have a fax... i can afford one..

Next time you are in CLT why don't you stop by my 3 story house. I will be happy to show you around. Don't worry about me, I have everything I need and then some. Have fun with that fax. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

I just got a call from my buddy.. .he got the Hawker job... which actually turned into a LR60 position starting at 37.5...

Furloughed from ACA 1 week and a day... and this all before ACA even implemented actual furloughs....

Hes 25... has 2000 hours... and is now Asst Dir of Training and they are giving him an ATP and type in the LR60...

jobs are out there fellas... go look you whores.....

by the way Bean... if you want his phone number.. PM me... you lazy A$$!!!

 

[RJPilott]

Next time you are in CLT why don't you stop by my 3 story house. I will be happy to show you around. Don't worry about me, I have everything I need and then some. Have fun with that fax. -Bean [/QUOTE

3 story house?? You have everything you need and then some?and you want to go back to CCAir??? lol... well obviously CCair isnt paying for it... its people like you that ruin our profession.... I have worked hard for my career... i dont have everything i need and then some.... im trying to make a living doing what i love. Some of us dont have the luxury of investing in a career with ample redundancy where we can take jobs at CCAir while living in a 3 story house and having "everything we need AND THEN SOME"!!!!!!!

I will gladly stop by.. you buy the steak and beers too.. huh? PM me your number... i'll show you what pride is about.... Strictly professional.... no testosterone...

 

[kntrdr]

Kind of pathetic for them to lump Expressjet in there with the others. XJT is currently deep in contract negotiations and operating on a 6 year old contract.

So is Chautauqua.

 

[Beantown]

3 story house?? You have everything you need and then some?and you want to go back to CCAir??? lol... well obviously CCair isnt paying for it... its people like you that ruin our profession.... I have worked hard for my career... i dont have everything i need and then some.... im trying to make a living doing what i love. Some of us dont have the luxury of investing in a career with ample redundancy where we can take jobs at CCAir while living in a 3 story house and having "everything we need AND THEN SOME"!!!!!!!

I will gladly stop by.. you buy the steak and beers too.. huh? PM me your number... i'll show you what pride is about.... Strictly professional.... no testosterone...

RJPilot, Lets get a few things straight. (1) I have earned everything that I have. Nothing has ever been given to me. The problem is that you don't know me. You sit behind your screen name and call me a "lazy ass" and say that I "ruin our profession" but you have no idea who I am or what I am about. It's pathetic. (2) You have no idea if CCair paid for my house. There were Dash CA a CC who made close to $100,000 a year. That will pay for a large house and some in Charlotte. But what do you know. You just sit at your desk pretending to take the high road while taking every opportunity to take a pot shot. That's character. (3) I just sent you my phone number and address as you requested. Lets see if you show up at my house or not. You have proven through your posts that you are no professional and I promise if you show up at my house and tell me to my face that I am a "lazy whore" our meeting will not end in a professional manner. You talk smack about me personally for 10 posts straight and then say that you want to meet and
" show you what pride is about.... Strictly professional.... no testosterone" What a crock! If you want to question who I am without ever meeting me you will deserve what you get.

To all the other ACA guys out there, sorry about kidnapping your thread, that is over. Stay strong and I hope things turn out for the best. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

There were Dash CA a CC who made close to $100,000 a year. That will pay for a large house and some in Charlotte. But what do you know.

Your right.. i dont know.. are YOU that Capt? and if you arent.. why would you go back to CCAir when you obviously make enough to fly on the side and own a 3 story house? You mean to tell me when you go back to CCAir under the Mesa Contract you will be paid enough at 2100TT to provide for your 3 story house?

Now its time for me to waive the BS Flag...


I have your info.. i look forward to our meeting as well and i thank you... but make no mistake.. i will be professional about it.. if you want to take it to another low level that is your choice since you feel it might not be professional... I can control my emotions with a good debate....but if you want to take it to a new substardard level as you have suggested... i can go there too... Thanks for your info... watch for the big goofy italian standing at your door.... we'll chat... and yes.. i will call you a whore to your face cause i know dam well Mesa rates cant pay for that house especially after you have been furloughed... you are going back to work to wear a polyester suit and say you fly a jet with 2100TT... you dam sure know you arent going back to provide for your house or your standard of living... I work for a living... why are you going back to Mesa rates?

 

[stillaboo]

Show me the $

There's more to life than how much you make. Do you even enjoy your job? Would you enjoy it more if you made more $, really? If so, go be a doctor, or the highest paying profession you can hold a job in. You're wasting away in the quagmire of a CRJ cockpit right now.

28K or 36K, who cares? QOL isn't for sale, and, with your attitude, you'd never be able to afford it anyway.

 

[CatYaaak]

..watch for the big italian standing at your door.... we'll chat... and yes.. i will call you a whore to your face cause i know dam well Mesa rates cant pay for that house especially after you have been furloughed

I'm just a member of the Peanut Gallery here, but THIS I find amusing! Are you implying that being a "big Italian" is supposed to somehow be intimidating?

Can I buy a ticket to this little meeting? My money is on the guy who's defending his home while being blamed for every regional pay-scale woe.

The fact is, RJPilott, the QOL and pay at ALL regionals (or commuters, as they used to be known) sucks, has always sucked, and will continue to suck. There is no "race to the bottom" because it has always BEEN at the bottom, and many of those heaping derision now helped promote it across the industry when they first entered the industry. Guys making top pay at ASA now were the ones who agreed to work for $900/month a little over 10 years ago. Lots of senior pilots at Comair are PFT pukes. ACA also had it. Many more at an array of companies ushered in the era of training contracts by agreeing to them (gotta get that tubine time!). Your scorn is not only misplaced, it's laughable.

You probably have plenty of those "whores" sitting in seats next to you within your own company, Especially the more senior ones. Perhaps you should take a look in the mirror before pretending your pilot group have some moral authority to dictate to pilot's of another company what they voted is best for them at this place an time.

Now, where do I get those tickets?