ACA Contract Concessions

[RJPilott]

made 36k my first year at ACA (includes per diem)


Well, which is it? Keeps going up. 28K, 32K, 36K? Or have you lost the concept of what you actually made? Over 70% of pilots at ACA PFT'd . Lots of pride there too....

Some other people just don't get it....

LOL

Wow... you really dug for that post huh? I think i posted that over a year ago.... i dont know whether to be flattered that you dug for it... or feel sorry for you that you have that much time on your hands....

28 plus 5.5 is 33.5. After doing my taxes and figuring out actual per diem it was 36.3K... but still.. how many Mesa pilots will make even close to 28k thier first year without per diem? If you dont know.. W4 doesnt show per diem.... my first yr W4 shows 28.8 plus 1.50 and raises of per diem. Avg a 17 day work month and you come up with 7,344...that works out to be 36,144 off the top of my head...


ACA was roughly 500 pilots deep when PFT was abolished. We now have 1600 pilots on property after the 87 furloughed. You may want to double check your figures...

 

[RJPilott]

I Since I don't have a fax why don't you share how you reached this magic number in year one? -Bean

I think the other guy already dug deep into past posts to explain. However, try doing that with 35.00 a year for the second year.. and see what you come up with.... Happy Hunting....

oh.. and i think i actually flew less than 800 block my first year... average 11-13 days off per month....


get a fax.. i have no problem faxing it out to you

 

[Beantown]

Wow... you really dug for that post huh? I think i posted that over a year ago.... i dont know whether to be flattered that you dug for it... or feel sorry for you that you have that much time on your hands....

28 plus 5.5 is 33.5. After doing my taxes and figuring out actual per diem it was 36.3K... but still.. how many Mesa pilots will make even close to 28k thier first year without per diem? If you dont know.. W4 doesnt show per diem....

ACA was roughly 500 pilots deep when PFT was abolished. We now have 1600 pilots on property after the 87 furloughed. You may want to double check your figures...

So you are saying that you made $8,300 your first year in Per Diem? That is an average of 432 hrs (based on 1.60 an hr which is a guess) away from base EVERY month from your first day on line. What a bunch of B.S. You are so full of sh$t.

For comparison, my first year at CCAir I made just over $4000 in per diem (at $1.45) and had a line from my second month

Instead of faxing it to me why don't you spend a couple minutes here and break it down for all of us. Looking forward to it. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

i edited my post.. .do the math Einstein...


you're not too bright are you Bean....


Must be the reason you are still furloughed and defending Mesa pilots to get your CCAir job back...lol


1.50 x 24=36 per day

17 x 36 = 612 per month (based on 13 off per month which i was actually less that 13 for my first year)

612 x 12 (months in a year) = 7344....

again.. this is off the top of my head. I have no desire to pull out tons of paperwork. Unless you really want me to fax it..... some things need to remain private...

Now.... the real question is... do you think i was overpaid?

 

[MetroSheriff]

I'm with Bean on this one and have to throw the BS flag. $36,300 the first year at ACA???

Not unless you count in profit from slingin crack on a street corner on the overnights.


Even a long 4 day is usually in the neighborhood of 72 hours TAFB. Assuming you do 5 full 4 days a month (5 x 72) thats only 360 per month. Which in turn is only 4320 for a year. Multiply that times $1.50 and it's still only $6480.00 per diem. And you can't do that with 13 days off a month.

Needless to say, if you work that much, you have NO quality of life.

I really could care less how much you made. But 36+ at any regional just don't jive.

All that being said, I agree with you RJ. You were not over paid. Even at your imaginary first year $36,300.

 

[cocknbull]

Bean,

I'll let RJPilot defend himself, however there were many pilots at ACA that made 36,000 there first year. The reason was that many J31 FO's reached upgrade time in less then a year. My former flight instructor got hired their in May of 2000 and could have upgraded in six months. However since he was on the J31 they gave him captain pay to stay in the right seat untill the plane was retired. He made around 36 or 37. I talked to another one of my instructors who was hired July of 2001 into the J41. He made about 27K his first year. He flew about 690 hours.

 

[RJPilott]

I'm with Bean on this one and have to throw the BS flag. $36,300 the first year at ACA???

Not unless you count in profit from slingin crack on a street corner on the overnights.

actually.. now that you mention it Metro.. i forgot to count 250-450 per quarter in Share the Success Checks we get (thats after taxes,,, our last Share The Success was 720 for the quarter before taxes)... Thanks for reminding me...

 

[RJPilott]

Bean,

I'll let RJPilot defend himself, however there were many pilots at ACA that made 36,000 there first year. The reason was that many J31 FO's reached upgrade time in less then a year. My former flight instructor got hired their in May of 2000 and could have upgraded in six months. However since he was on the J31 they gave him captain pay to stay in the right seat untill the plane was retired. He made around 36 or 37. I talked to another one of my instructors who was hired July of 2001 into the J41. He made about 27K his first year. He flew about 690 hours.

Thanks Bulll,

if we count upgrades.. and LGA... there were pilots making close to 100k their 3rd year at ACA...

Want me to include the instructor salaries now?


and the fact still remains we get paid for cancellations... and we get paid a semi-respectable wage with respectable per diem. So,,, should we now take concessions?

 

[MetroSheriff]

actually.. now that you mention it Metro.. i forgot to count 250-450 per quarter in Share the Success Checks we get (thats after taxes,,, our last Share The Success was 720 for the quarter before taxes)... Thanks for reminding me...

I am not saying that it couldn't be done. I don't know your contract well enough to say. My point was that it could not be done with any quality of life. I regularly bid low block lines because at FO payrates, my time off with the family is more important than the measly few bucks I could make by working my ass off. At Captain rates it is a different story. And as far as instructors...don't get me started. LOL

 

[RJPilott]

It has been done.. many times over.

Now does someone care to put the 2003 Mesa contract under the microscope? With thier 1.15 per diem and their no pay for cancellations? and 8-10 days off per month?


Be sure to compare their +70 seat FO's to our 50 seat FO's and our contract provisions for per diem, days off, cancellation pay. Heck, may as well go further to include our J41 FO's as a comparison to their 90 seat FO's since most of our J41 FO's make 35+/hr their second year.

 

[Beantown]

i edited my post.. .do the math Einstein...



1.50 x 24=36 per day

17 x 36 = 612 per month (based on 13 off per month which i was actually less that 13 for my first year)

612 x 12 (months in a year) = 7344....

again.. this is off the top of my head. I have no desire to pull out tons of paperwork. Unless you really want me to fax it..... some things need to remain private...

Now.... the real question is... do you think i was overpaid?

That would make sense if you didn't work (or not work) a single day on reserve in your first year and 24 hr days every day (not possible) you are on duty. Lets face it, the average pilot at ACA makes no where near 36k the first year. 27-28k is much more realistic and would only be a couple thousand more then at Mesa.

Must be the reason you are still furloughed and defending Mesa pilots to get your CCAir job back...lol

Ya jacka$$, I am the only guy out there who has been furloughed a while. Your an ignorant prick. The fact is I have another job offer from another airline but b/c I am at 3rd yr pay, can live at home (CLT) and will have 250 pilots below me at Mesa I will probable go there. Just makes more sense for me and my family. I will be the first to say that I am not looking forward to some of the things that I will have to deal with at Mesa but it is no where as bad as you would like to make others think it is. Good luck to all the guys at ACA. I hope you stand strong, if not, don't blame it on Mesa. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

And you can't do that with 13 days off a month.

Needless to say, if you work that much, you have NO quality of life.

Now imagine 8 days off per month for reserve, and 10 off for line holders with no cancellation pay. Then imagine making 1.15 per diem and horrible pay rates included. And there you have Mesa....

 

[RJPilott]

Ya jacka$$, I am the only guy out there who has been furloughed a while. Your an ignorant prick. The fact is I have another job offer from another airline but b/c I am at 3rd yr pay, can live at home (CLT) and will have 250 pilots below me at Mesa I will probable go there. Just makes more sense.

Thans Bean.. .you have just proven my point and solidified the reason i will not whore myself out. Enjoy...

How does it feel it will take another 3-4 years for you to come close to a second yr FO at ACA?

BTW, get a fax number, and i'll fax it to you. You really seem to be in denial. I'll show you... really

I have a fax... i can afford one.. .for now...

 

[Beantown]

Now imagine 8 days off per month for reserve, and 10 off for line holders with no cancellation pay. Then imagine making 1.15 per diem and horrible pay rates included. And there you have Mesa....

The days off are a minimum, the average pilot gets about 13/14 days off (does that sound familiar to you?). They HAVE cancellation pay (controlled only). The contract sucks, but again, not as bad as you would make it seem. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

okey dokey... if you feel you have a place you will be happy at... all the more power to ya...

I for one couldnt look in the mirror knowing i have invested so much for so little....

and im a pretty good looking guy...


pride my friend.. pride!

 

[Beantown]

Thans Bean.. .you have just proven my point and solidified the reason i will not whore myself out. Enjoy...

It's real easy to sit on this board and yap. It's easy to say that you wouldn't do this or that if you were unemployed. Hopefully you won't have to find out. Again, good luck at ACA. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

It's real easy to sit on this board and yap. It's easy to say that you wouldn't do this or that if you were unemployed. Hopefully you won't have to find out. Again, good luck at ACA. -Bean

i sold cars in the early 90's cause of whores like you. I took limos to NYC while making 52k at age 22. I will gladly go back to it before i share a bedroom with 3 others and debate on who will boil the water for our Ramen noodle dinner with a 0500 show the next morning and 10 off per month.

 

[Beantown]

I have a fax... i can afford one..

Next time you are in CLT why don't you stop by my 3 story house. I will be happy to show you around. Don't worry about me, I have everything I need and then some. Have fun with that fax. -Bean

 

[RJPilott]

I just got a call from my buddy.. .he got the Hawker job... which actually turned into a LR60 position starting at 37.5...

Furloughed from ACA 1 week and a day... and this all before ACA even implemented actual furloughs....

Hes 25... has 2000 hours... and is now Asst Dir of Training and they are giving him an ATP and type in the LR60...

jobs are out there fellas... go look you whores.....

by the way Bean... if you want his phone number.. PM me... you lazy A$$!!!

 

[RJPilott]

Next time you are in CLT why don't you stop by my 3 story house. I will be happy to show you around. Don't worry about me, I have everything I need and then some. Have fun with that fax. -Bean [/QUOTE

3 story house?? You have everything you need and then some?and you want to go back to CCAir??? lol... well obviously CCair isnt paying for it... its people like you that ruin our profession.... I have worked hard for my career... i dont have everything i need and then some.... im trying to make a living doing what i love. Some of us dont have the luxury of investing in a career with ample redundancy where we can take jobs at CCAir while living in a 3 story house and having "everything we need AND THEN SOME"!!!!!!!

I will gladly stop by.. you buy the steak and beers too.. huh? PM me your number... i'll show you what pride is about.... Strictly professional.... no testosterone...