ABX says NO THANK YOU to ASTAR

[penguin22]

We, as a group, sleepwalked into this because a survey wasn't taken to determine the prevalent attitude to the ANA charter logistics

Wrong. We had a zoomerang survey on that. I'm sure your negative vote on the whole idea was counted.

 

[penguin22]

He has been our D/O now for I don't know how many years and nobody can figure out why the announcement. Everything listed in there he already did.

Oh, that guy. I didn't realize he scabbed at EAL. But I checked my list, and there he is.

 

[LarryinTN]

Looks like the company has blinked again...

Citing current progress in negotiations, and commitment by both sides toward working for a tentative agreement, [ABX Air] has announced that it has withdrawn the proffer for an Osaka domicile.

 

[FreightBumper]

The company didn't blink cause it was a hollow attempt to stir the membership to put pressure on negotiations. They probably had a firm date to withdraw the domiciole bid to begin with. They continue to play games no matter how silly they look. It amazes me that they hold us in such low esteem and they continue to pull this crap on the pilot group.

 

[ABXbooger]

Couldn't agree more, bump. Question: serious rumor has a proffer for 21 more -9 captains on the way and more 767 FO's too. Is this the work of our new COO? He left a good impression with the group the other night and said some good things, maybe he will follow through...

Anyone know anything about the Air China 767's and the ANA rumors?

 

[LarryinTN]

7 of the 8 DC9 Capt awards went to 767 FO's (6 ILN, 1 MIA) so I'll bet that the company is now wondering how it's going get by without them on the 767 (starting tomorrow) and is worried that the next DC9 Capt proffer will also go to a lot of current 767 FOs.

 

[jdflyer51]

767 FOs are in for lots of jr manning...Cindy has already started. Quick thoughts.....yes Astar has been the favored carrier. DHL has admitted that. However, our summer vacations in Germany have paid off and they claim we are all in their future plans. They also claim that this will be bigger than we can imagine at this point. There is room for all of us eventually. We are better off working together once we integrate and get a UPS type contract for the new group. Lets soar instead of racing to the bottom. Also, ANA with no work rules is ridiculous. Lets enjoy it while it is operating under the current rules. Dasburg will most likely replace it with CRAF anyhow.

 

[learjockey1]

Astar Pilots put strike on the table

Release #07.039
July 31, 2007
ASTAR Air Cargo Pilots Send Message to Management: Stop Stalling Contract Talks
WILMINGTON, OH—Angry and frustrated over their managements’ deliberately slow pace in contract negotiations, ASTAR Air Cargo’s pilot workforce sent a strong message to management that their patience has run out. The pilots, members of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l, (ALPA) unanimously voted to authorize their union leaders to take any measure necessary to secure a fair and equitable contract.


With contract negotiations nearing the four-year mark, union leaders have been directed to look at any and all measures available to them, including sending out a member strike-authorization ballot and seeking a proffer from the National Mediation Board that could lead to a possible strike.


“ASTAR pilots have recently read several news media reports speculating about business deals involving purchases or mergers being orchestrated by our management,” said Capt. Earl Smith, Master Executive Council Chairman. “But there is no speculation about our reality: we still do not have a contract three-and-a-half years after the amendable date of our last agreement, and opportunities for career advancement are growing more limited every month.”


Despite constant recognition for outstanding on-time performance in the express shipping industry, ASTAR pilots have not received a raise in nearly five years other than previously negotiated longevity increases. ASTAR pilots are among the most effective pilots in their industry, yet they are paid the least among pilots for the top three cargo carriers (FedEx, UPS, and DHL).


“Our situation with management is simply unacceptable, and we intend to remedy this at the bargaining table with the full support of every ASTAR pilot and our brothers and sisters at ALPA-represented airlines,” Smith said.


ASTAR pilots carry roughly 50% of the weight out of Wilmington, Ohio, each night for DHL, the world’s largest and most experienced international air express network. Prior to 2003, ASTAR Air Cargo was known as DHL Airways where a majority of today’s 525 ASTAR pilots were hired. Before August 2003 ASTAR/DHL Airways pilots carried nearly 100% of DHL cargo in the United States and more than 50% of DHL’s international cargo to and from the United States.


Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing 60,000 pilots at 41 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at www.alpa.org.

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ALPA CONTACT: Ron Lovas, 703-481-4468

 

[Cargoav8or]

767 FOs are in for lots of jr manning...Cindy has already started. Quick thoughts.....yes Astar has been the favored carrier. DHL has admitted that. However, our summer vacations in Germany have paid off and they claim we are all in their future plans. They also claim that this will be bigger than we can imagine at this point. There is room for all of us eventually. We are better off working together once we integrate and get a UPS type contract for the new group. Lets soar instead of racing to the bottom. Also, ANA with no work rules is ridiculous. Lets enjoy it while it is operating under the current rules. Dasburg will most likely replace it with CRAF anyhow.

Makes sense. I can't possibly see how DHL would have replaced all those 76's or 9's without taking it in the shorts. Lets hope that what you have learned in Germany is correct.

The bigger we are the better off we all are, regardless of what the nay-sayers think.
:beer:

 

[flyinboxes]

"Couldn't agree more, bump. Question: serious rumor has a proffer for 21 more -9 captains on the way and more 767 FO's too. Is this the work of our new COO? He left a good impression with the group the other night and said some good things, maybe he will follow through...

Anyone know anything about the Air China 767's and the ANA rumors?"

This is not a flame or directed towards you booger, just trying to understand why or if you guys actually go to management meetings and listen to them and believe them, or is it your union reps meeting with them? I just find it odd after all the crap as of late.