ABX now accepting applications

[nitefr8dog]

Will the Capital guys getting furloughed right now have first rights to the ABX pilot jobs being advertised? Ahead of new hires off the street? Just wondering.

The short answer is no....Capital just signed a new contract and did not seek that provision in their last contract. 1224 had hoped all 3 carriers under the ATSG umbrella would have it but nether ATI or Capital saw any value in that. Now they are both downsizing.

 

[PHXFLYR]

What where they thinking ?
PHXFLYR

 

[nitefr8dog]

What where they thinking ?

PHXFLYR

They were thinking if they accepted less pay on their new contract all the flying would come their way. Therefore no real value in a provision that forced any ATSG carrier that was hiring to give them preferential hiring....which in effect would prevent whipsawing back and forth. Very short sighted. Again IMHO.

 

[Box-Hauler]

The sooner ATI and Cappy realize that they are dealing with Uncle Joe the better we as a group will be. Welcome to the last 12+ years of my life of dealing with a management team that will cost the company money if it will hurt the union even a little bit.

 

[Mach88]

What where they thinking ?
PHXFLYR
I have no dog in that fight but maybe since ABX had hundreds of pilots on furlough while they were negotiating, they didnt see much value in giving anything up for preferential hiring there.

Once again we see how things change rapidly in this business. Hind sight is 20/20.

Good for ABX for hiring and good luck to the ATI and Cappy pilots. I hope ABX hires many of them anyway.

 

[DC8-PFE]

ATI at this time is not furloughing any pilots. PFE's are being furloughed as the DC-8s are parked. The pilots are transitioning to the 767. As far as getting our own side side letter for preferential hiring,IMHO,we didn't have the leverage that the ABX pilots had at the time when they got theirs. I think we were hearing at the time that Hete needed a stable labor situation,,ie a signed agreement with the pilots to obtain a big amount of financing. So, no contract, no loan.

 

[nitefr8dog]

While negotiating a new contract everything is on the table and obtainable.....the question is at what price?

 

[abxflyr1]

While ATI has not furloughed beyond the PFE ranks, how long before that changes?? ATI is over-staffed for the amount of flying they currently have. Yes, a pilot furlough would start from the 767 F/O seat....a seat that is presently training more senior/displaced pilots. Once that is done there is nothing to hold the damn of furlough from breaking loose a little. ATSG/Hete (or any other CEO) isn't going to allow their subs to 'bleed' with excessive labor costs beyond their requirements. Typically speaking, airlines enjoy running on the lean side and utilizing open flying and junior assigning prior to heavier crew costs of normal/over staffed.

Writing is on the wall....(unless there is some change in flying)....be aware.

As far as gaining the same or similar protection/agreement for employement within ATSG carriers....well, ATI MEC never once even asked for the agreement. They perfer to sit around and wait till someday in the future when all the MEC's/E-board members work out a mutual position and MOU between the 3 and the parent. Guess that may prove to be a bad idea...depends on your perspective.

 

[thunderworm]

the ABX website says that new hire FOs are to be paid $39585 salary their first yr. Is this true? Seems like salary is not the way to go since they will work the crap out of you and no overtime.

 

[Jurassic Jet]

the ABX website says that new hire FOs are to be paid $39585 salary their first yr. Is this true? Seems like salary is not the way to go since they will work the crap out of you and no overtime.

You are paid over and above the salary for days off they work you.

 

[Jack Campbell]

How many are they hiring? When will they be calling for interviews? How is the QOL? Anyone who's there who could shoot me a PM on the culture, etc. I'd appreciate that. Thanks in advance.

 

[fob727]

How many are they hiring? When will they be calling for interviews? How is the QOL? Anyone who's there who could shoot me a PM on the culture, etc. I'd appreciate that. Thanks in advance.

sucks, sucks, sucks

 

[nitefr8dog]

sucks, sucks, sucks

fob727 does not work at ABX. Bitter ex ASTAR.

 

[thunderworm]

You are paid over and above the salary for days off they work you.

Is there a limit of how many of your days off they can take back?

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

They were thinking if they accepted less pay on their new contract all the flying would come their way....

And you know this to be true because....

I can not speak for the Cappy peeps as you have, but for ATI the top priority was Home Basing and getting rid of that MIA base abomination. The Home Basing, an increase in pay and a combination of the rest that was done left no room for Pref. Hire language. If you have nothing left to bargain with you start giving back.

We have openers in 23 months. If the group polls that they want it maybe something can be done then.

...ATI MEC never once even asked for the agreement....

The MEC and Neg. Comm never asked because as per the polling, the group didn't ask for it. Was it on their minds during negotiations, I think so. But as I stated before, they had other matters on their hands and had nothing left to bet with.

FAJ