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They have pretty much reached the end of the list for recalls. The first guys eligible to come back from ATI wont be able to do so until April I believe.
 
How are things over there?
 
Is this the good email or the bad one? I hate those tests too. They prove how dumb I am without even giving me a chance to do it on my own!

Thank you for your applying for the position of 767 First Officer. We will be reviewing resumes and applications over the next several weeks. You will be contacted if we need additional information or wish to schedule a phone or personal interview with you. If you are not contacted, this is the only correspondence that you will receive.
Please view our job posting on a frequent basis for new positions that become available.

Again, thank you for considering ABX Air, Inc. as an employer and good luck with your job search.

Regards
 
Furloughed guys are taking bypasses. Everyone has there own reasons, but according to most that are there, it is not the same ABX we where hired on to. Schedules are tougher and having your schedule changed is more the norm. Pay is still good though.
 
We...in my humble opinion are still one of the best ACMI carriers out there. One reason is our Union and contract. ABX pilots gave up alot to keep the company going on its last contract....in doing so we went from around 12-14 aircraft we as a pilot group operate to around 25. With more coming and new routes in the works. We still have lots of growing pains and issues with management as to contract interpretation but show me an airline that does not! Our union works very hard on our behalf and they are relentless on protecting our rights even as the wheels of progress turn slow. We are working 17 days a month vs 15, but new contract after 6 JRM's per year you get the pay and the day back vs 3 per mo or 36 per year before you get the day besides the pay. Usually lots of overtime if you are interested. Not sure hat base pay new-hire is APC has all that info. Every FO on property is at 12 year pay 115K, CPT pay is 160K. I would be surprised if we had any captains make less than 200K. I flew with 1 that said it was his most ever 345k. Schedules are mixed 8 on 8 off etc or full 17 on for the Europe and Asia flying.
 
Will the Capital guys getting furloughed right now have first rights to the ABX pilot jobs being advertised? Ahead of new hires off the street? Just wondering.
 
Airbus300 said:
Will the Capital guys getting furloughed right now have first rights to the ABX pilot jobs being advertised? Ahead of new hires off the street? Just wondering.
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The short answer is no....Capital just signed a new contract and did not seek that provision in their last contract. 1224 had hoped all 3 carriers under the ATSG umbrella would have it but nether ATI or Capital saw any value in that. Now they are both downsizing.
 
PHXFLYR said:
What where they thinking ?

PHXFLYR
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They were thinking if they accepted less pay on their new contract all the flying would come their way. Therefore no real value in a provision that forced any ATSG carrier that was hiring to give them preferential hiring....which in effect would prevent whipsawing back and forth. Very short sighted. Again IMHO.
 
The sooner ATI and Cappy realize that they are dealing with Uncle Joe the better we as a group will be. Welcome to the last 12+ years of my life of dealing with a management team that will cost the company money if it will hurt the union even a little bit.
 
What where they thinking ?
PHXFLYR
I have no dog in that fight but maybe since ABX had hundreds of pilots on furlough while they were negotiating, they didnt see much value in giving anything up for preferential hiring there.

Once again we see how things change rapidly in this business. Hind sight is 20/20.

Good for ABX for hiring and good luck to the ATI and Cappy pilots. I hope ABX hires many of them anyway.
 
ATI at this time is not furloughing any pilots. PFE's are being furloughed as the DC-8s are parked. The pilots are transitioning to the 767. As far as getting our own side side letter for preferential hiring,IMHO,we didn't have the leverage that the ABX pilots had at the time when they got theirs. I think we were hearing at the time that Hete needed a stable labor situation,,ie a signed agreement with the pilots to obtain a big amount of financing. So, no contract, no loan.
 
While ATI has not furloughed beyond the PFE ranks, how long before that changes?? ATI is over-staffed for the amount of flying they currently have. Yes, a pilot furlough would start from the 767 F/O seat....a seat that is presently training more senior/displaced pilots. Once that is done there is nothing to hold the damn of furlough from breaking loose a little. ATSG/Hete (or any other CEO) isn't going to allow their subs to 'bleed' with excessive labor costs beyond their requirements. Typically speaking, airlines enjoy running on the lean side and utilizing open flying and junior assigning prior to heavier crew costs of normal/over staffed.

Writing is on the wall....(unless there is some change in flying)....be aware.

As far as gaining the same or similar protection/agreement for employement within ATSG carriers....well, ATI MEC never once even asked for the agreement. They perfer to sit around and wait till someday in the future when all the MEC's/E-board members work out a mutual position and MOU between the 3 and the parent. Guess that may prove to be a bad idea...depends on your perspective.
 
the ABX website says that new hire FOs are to be paid $39585 salary their first yr. Is this true? Seems like salary is not the way to go since they will work the crap out of you and no overtime.
 
thunderworm said:
the ABX website says that new hire FOs are to be paid $39585 salary their first yr. Is this true? Seems like salary is not the way to go since they will work the crap out of you and no overtime.
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You are paid over and above the salary for days off they work you.
 
How many are they hiring? When will they be calling for interviews? How is the QOL? Anyone who's there who could shoot me a PM on the culture, etc. I'd appreciate that. Thanks in advance.
 
nitefr8dog said:
They were thinking if they accepted less pay on their new contract all the flying would come their way....
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And you know this to be true because....

I can not speak for the Cappy peeps as you have, but for ATI the top priority was Home Basing and getting rid of that MIA base abomination. The Home Basing, an increase in pay and a combination of the rest that was done left no room for Pref. Hire language. If you have nothing left to bargain with you start giving back.

We have openers in 23 months. If the group polls that they want it maybe something can be done then.

abxflyr1 said:
...ATI MEC never once even asked for the agreement....
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The MEC and Neg. Comm never asked because as per the polling, the group didn't ask for it. Was it on their minds during negotiations, I think so. But as I stated before, they had other matters on their hands and had nothing left to bet with.

FAJ
 

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