ABX now accepting applications

[avratdwc]

How many are ABX hiring. What are the chances of getting MIA?

 

[fob727]

fob727 does not work at ABX. Bitter ex ASTAR.

Not an ex., still employed. Sucks if you want to work for Hete., sucks because your still under the DHL umbrella....

 

[abxflyr1]

The MEC and Neg. Comm never asked because as per the polling, the group didn't ask for it. Was it on their minds during negotiations, I think so. But as I stated before, they had other matters on their hands and had nothing left to bet with.
FAJ

There are always other matters at hand, if you've ever served as a union guy (which you may have), you already know its a matter of going from fire to fire. At times, never putting one out before taking on another. Regardless, the (furlough) agreement is not at other ATSG carriers as they did not secure it...for whatever reason...in their respective CBA's. Hopefully you and others understand its not within ABX1224's scope to secure provisions for other carriers.

As to life at ABX...well, that is best answered by ABX'ers and not posters from other carriers, whether they are carrying for DHL or not. Although I understand perhaps what his intent was...best to leave those answers for those who are directly there.

Now ATI has a new subsidary...CCIA. If ATI scope were stronger it would have better protected/restricted such moves. Let the games continue...

 

[JECKEL]

What is the online assessment?

What questions are being asked?

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

There are always other matters at hand, if you've ever served as a union guy (which you may have), you already know its a matter of going from fire to fire. At times, never putting one out before taking on another. Regardless, the (furlough) agreement is not at other ATSG carriers as they did not secure it...for whatever reason...in their respective CBA's. Hopefully you and others understand its not within ABX1224's scope to secure provisions for other carriers.

Understood and accepted. Always have. Just myself and other ATI pilots never appreciated 1224 sideways comments like, "well we intended it to be reciprocal" when all knew that was all bull$hit. We will be negotiating again in less than 2 years. Maybe the group will make it a priority then.



As to life at ABX...well, that is best answered by ABX'ers and not posters from other carriers, whether they are carrying for DHL or not. Although I understand perhaps what his intent was...best to leave those answers for those who are directly there.

Not really sure if that's directed at me or not. While I am posting in a thread regarding ABX, I'm only directing my responses toward comments made about ATI. But this is sage advice. Maybe others will heed it and keep their backhanded quips to themselves.



Now ATI has a new subsidary...CCIA. If ATI scope were stronger it would have better protected/restricted such moves. Let the games continue...

So long as they keep both operations separate as they have said.....Well like you said, let the games begin. And we need to be on top of ours!!
I tell you what though, I don't like this new COO. He was a Sr VP of MX at ABX for 16 years before he was Pres of CCIA. The main reason CCIA was being rudely cavity searched by the FAA was MX issues. So he gets to stay on as a COO in charge of, among other things, "Regulatory Compliance"
of ATI??? This doesn't look good for the home team.

FAJ (in red)

 

[abxflyr1]

As to life at ABX...well, that is best answered by ABX'ers and not posters from other carriers, whether they are carrying for DHL or not. Although I understand perhaps what his intent was...best to leave those answers for those who are directly there.

Not really sure if that's directed at me or not. While I am posting in a thread regarding ABX, I'm only directing my responses toward comments made about ATI. But this is sage advice. Maybe others will heed it and keep their backhanded quips to themselves.

Guess I wasn't too technically correct as I didn't quote the person it was more about, but it applies to everyone (including me!). So, accept my apoligy as it was not directed toward FAJ.

Regarding the new (to ATI) COO...you've read the letter outlining his resume'. I do know him directly, and while never under his authority, have found him to be a pretty stand up person overall. He inherited the maintenance issues that plague/d CCI and has a limited amount of resources to bring things into compliance (unlike previous life where resources weren't so scarce). I plan on giving him his own opportunity to establish himself within the ATI family and be judged based on merits, not speculation or rumor.

Unfortunatly one of the first orders of business will be to release people work. Its not far before displaced DC8 drivers will be ready to warm the B767 seats thereby allowing the gates to open.

 

[Bitter]

Furlough

So haw many furloughs do we anticipate at ATI? 30-40? more? or less?

For all you potential Abx wanna be's, any furlough ATI will curtail off the street hiring at Abx.

(Approx) the most junior 100 at ATI are furloughed Abx. Once involuntarily released from ATI, they would be eligable to return to Abx. Thus stopping new hires.

Ain't this fun!!!

 

[thunderworm]

What is the online assessment?

What questions are being asked?

Its a 60 min some timed parts test that covers personality, math, vocabulary, and general knowledge. Nothing to do with flying. Not really something you can study for since the questions are pretty random.

 

[Sporto]

So haw many furloughs do we anticipate at ATI? 30-40? more? or less?

For all you potential Abx wanna be's, any furlough ATI will curtail off the street hiring at Abx.

(Approx) the most junior 100 at ATI are furloughed Abx. Once involuntarily released from ATI, they would be eligable to return to Abx. Thus stopping new hires.

Ain't this fun!!!

Not entirely accurate.....Was just informed of my involuntary at ATI.

Ezell said sorry about your luck, the two year lock is in effect regardless of your furlough.

 

[Bitter]

Furlough

ATI issued furloughs today to guys that are also furloughed Abx.
I wouldn't waste my time on filing out the app.
These guys would be eligable to come back to Abx ahead of any new hires.
I suspect this is ATI's first shot and more will follow.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

ATI issued furloughs today to guys that are also furloughed Abx.
I wouldn't waste my time on filing out the app.
These guys would be eligable to come back to Abx ahead of any new hires.
I suspect this is ATI's first shot and more will follow.

Not entirely accurate.....Was just informed of my involuntary at ATI.

Ezell said sorry about your luck, the two year lock is in effect regardless of your furlough.

Conflicting reports on this.

Regardless, those who are able and wish to return to ABX could take the Voluntary Furlough thus allowing the guys at the bottom of the ATI list to stay employed.

Sporto: Who is Ezell??

 

[Sporto]

Sporto: Who is Ezell??

Good guy and the Chief Pilot.

 

[ABXbooger]

From what I am hearing voluntary furloughs will not be released from their commitment with ATI, only involuntary.

 

[abxflyr1]

Never really heard too many refer to Ezell as a good guy (guess there are worse)....but to each his own.

Unfortunately, there are many, many angles to the possibilities for ATI pilots who may be furloughed to return to ABX. The ABX LOA that allowed ABX pilots to gain employment at ATI/CCI is silent regarding various 'what ifs' that could occur. At present, no one really knows the answers to the variables and they will most likely begin to be answered/explored as they occur (such as the present ATI furlough).

I can tell you that if you got fired from ATI, it has not <yet> prevailed in releasing one from their 2 year waiting period. Obviously, common sense would dictate that if you are involuntarily released one would be relinquished from their 2-year commitment period. Common sense doesn't always prevail.

In short, what many are seeking is to be 'released or waived' from the 2 year requirement. *If* the ABX union and company agrees to it, the can of worms begins to open since the waiver would have to be applied uniformly...thereby allowing voluntary furloughed (more senior guys at ATI) to utilize this 1st if desired thereby keeping more junior person on property at ATI in an attempt to fulfill their 2 years. Furloughed is furloughed, voluntary vs. in voluntary is only difference in how one got into that status.

Lastly, keep in mind there are others (ABX furloughed) who never took an ATI/CCI job and have simply by-passed for some period of time.....each day that goes by allows them to be closer to their date of recall (2nd time) and they should retain a higher priority over 'waived' pilots. Naturally, I'd even expect someone to challenge and request if waivers are provided that similar provisions are also provided to by-passed pilots allowing one to change their recall date. This, in effect, levels the playing field by providing similar waivers/reliefs as possibly given to those employed at ATI/CCI.

Hope this hasn't gotten too long winded, but it is more complex than appears at the surface. Especially given that equality has to be seen across the board and not just for the (unfortunate) group of ATI furloughees.

 

[ABXbooger]

Equality has never been an issue before at 1224. Ask any of the guys that sat on the street for 24 months while open flying w************************* bid up entire months of flying from open time. (I know this personally!) I guess blood sucking scorpions eat their own, huh?

All people are looking for is since a furlough has been issued, a release from a commitment that one party no longer chooses to uphold (ATI). Being held to an employment commitment while you are not employed, and they are hiring off the street is ludicrous. There is no need to open a can of worms by including people that are gainfully employed, and both sides of the commitment is being honored. By allowing people to take a voluntary furlough just to skip to ABX seems counterproductive to the intent of the side letter, which was to offer a chance to people to remain gainfully employed, not skip around to whatever employer they choose.

Also I believe that this last several rounds of recalls has included many people who have bypassed once, thus losing seniority making many of them now junior to pilots at ATI. Also by failing to accept a second recall, they are now off the seniority list all together.

This more than likely will not be the last furlough at ATI, depending on who you choose to believe.