ABX Air to Acquire CHI

[SkyMiles]

This is from an article about the Schenker purchase of Bax Global:

"Such a purchase would undoubtedly boost Deutsche Bahn's air and sea freight activities, particularly in the US-Europe and US-Asia trade lanes. For DB's subsidiary, Schenker, the acquisition of BAX Global would strengthen its airfreight activities, giving competitors like Deutsche Post and Kuehne & Nagel a run for their money."

And ABX just bought Bax. So is ABX now in competition with DHL?

 

[abxaviator]

Listening to the conf call now. Joe is going out of his way to say "operate separately" as often as he can. The analysts are very interested in the DHL note; Joe said he will now have to talk with DHL about this transaction to get their opinion of it.

 

[MrSky]

This is from an article about the Schenker purchase of Bax Global:

"Such a purchase would undoubtedly boost Deutsche Bahn's air and sea freight activities, particularly in the US-Europe and US-Asia trade lanes. For DB's subsidiary, Schenker, the acquisition of BAX Global would strengthen its airfreight activities, giving competitors like Deutsche Post and Kuehne & Nagel a run for their money."

And ABX just bought Bax. So is ABX now in competition with DHL?

Wrong....ABX Bought CHI.... BAX is a Customer of CHI at this time nothing more nothing less

 

[abxaviator]

Joe says this moves ABX from a Air Cargo "Carrier" to a Air Cargo and logistical services "Provider".

 

[hanginupsidown]

Doesn't CHI Holdings own ATI which operates an ACMI agreement with BAX/Schenker???? So BAX is not part of CHI's Holdings???

 

[MrSky]

Doesn't CHI Holdings own ATI which operates an ACMI agreement with BAX/Schenker???? So BAX is not part of CHI's Holdings???

NO BAX is a Customer of ATI

 

[hanginupsidown]

beat me to it Sky!!

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

....For DB's subsidiary, Schenker, the acquisition of BAX Global would strengthen its airfreight activities, giving competitors like Deutsche Post and Kuehne & Nagel a run for their money."

And ABX just bought Bax. So is ABX now in competition with DHL?

BAX/Schenker is a customer of ATI (CHI). All ABXAir bought regarding BAX is ATI which has the ACMI contract with BAX to carry their freight.

So in a sense yes, ABX is now competing indirectly with DHL. A few threads ago I called Hete a corporate prick. But in the same sentence, I added "but he's a smart corporate prick". He is covering all his bases well.

FAJ

 

[SkyMiles]

I guess my point is ABX will be providing services to 2 competitors, no? DHL cant like that too much. I heard Joe say many times "operate separately", what does the ABX teamster contract say about that. I thought it said that any flying done by ABX has to be done by pilots on the abx seniority list? Yes I know the contract is only worth the paper it is printed on but I thought there was much put into this language for just this eventuallity

 

[GoABX]

How many planes by type and pilots does CHI excluding the stuff in conversion?

Anybody know how much scope liability we have on them operating us a 2 separate carriers? Joe will whipsaw the hell out of us if he can.

 

[HeavyjetDC8]

Buh-bye DHL. Anyone want to buy a house in Ohio?

Not so fast, although this isn't good news for DHL. These aircraft still need freight to haul and if not DHL's, then whose? Unless of course our Japanese friends want a slice of the US domestic express market in which case where's the new sort operation going to be based?

 

[SkyMiles]

Capital Cargo International Airlines (CCIA):
-100 crewmembers represented by ALPA
-currently operates 14 727-200 aircraft, 1 757-200 aircraft, 5 767-200 in conversion
-operations include flying freight in South America

Air Transport International (ATI):
-150 crewmembers represented by Teamsters
-19 DC-8 73/71/62 combo aircraft

 

[Jafo73]

How many planes by type and pilots does CHI excluding the stuff in conversion?

Anybody know how much scope liability we have on them operating us a 2 separate carriers? Joe will whipsaw the hell out of us if he can.

according to airlinepilot ATI has 150 pilots (teamsters) and 19 70 series DC-8's

 

[hanginupsidown]

How many planes by type and pilots does CHI excluding the stuff in conversion?

Anybody know how much scope liability we have on them operating us a 2 separate carriers? Joe will whipsaw the hell out of us if he can.

FAST FACTS ABOUT CHI HOLDINGS
Capital Cargo International Airlines (CCIA):
-100 crewmembers represented by ALPA
-currently operates 14 727-200 aircraft, 1 757-200 aircraft, 5 767-200 in conversion
-operations include flying freight in South America

Air Transport International (ATI):
-150 crewmembers represented by Teamsters
-19 DC-8 73/71/62 combo aircraft

 

[MrSky]

On the surface I think it is, for everyone concerned. Of course there will be some pain, some gain, but in the end I think this bodes well for all.

Well Booger....Thanks for the "Welcome" !!

Let's hope this works out well for all concerned parties ATI, ABX and CCI (Capitol Cargo).

Just maybe as a side note this may help us all get a Good Contract either individually or separately. I'd like to be the first to ask for ATI to join YOUR local and drop the Limp Dick IBT747, they are useless!

Anyway Howdy to all the ABX'ers I'm sure we will eventually be seeing each other on the respective ramps!