ABX 1224 I'm confused......

[flyinboxes]

About 1hour 2 min. in to the call Hete says he's going to go to Germany and try and get job security basically AFTER the TA vote? So if it doesn't work out and the TA is ratified what then? I'm confused. Maybe it's too late and moot now but was just wondering. It didn't sound too smart.

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[FreightBumper]

About 1hour 2 min. in to the call Hete says he's going to go to Germany and try and get job security basically AFTER the TA vote? So if it doesn't work out and the TA is ratified what then? I'm confused. Maybe it's too late and moot now but was just wondering. It didn't sound too smart.

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Dear confused,
It is good to know we have so much concern about our contract from those that couldn't see the pitfalls in their own thru the dollar signs in front of them. I have to ask why do you even care?

 

[fob727]

Dear confused,
It is good to know we have so much concern about our contract from those that couldn't see the pitfalls in their own thru the dollar signs in front of them. I have to ask why do you even care?

FB, that beats some the statements from Nitey.

We're curious as to how low you'll take the profession.

Let's see...1224 negotiating job security with DHL...1224 negotiating scope with DHL.. I do believe that has been tried before. DHL(a 49% owner of Astar) was sharpening it's knife during negotiations with our group.

I can hear it now, "Mucklehead and 1224 said it wouldn't happen to us"...yeah, right!

 

[hvydriver]

Dear confused,
It is good to know we have so much concern about our contract from those that couldn't see the pitfalls in their own thru the dollar signs in front of them. I have to ask why do you even care?

FB,

I don't think any Astar folks are showing any less "caring" about your contract negotiations, as ABX did when we were in ours. Need I go find the appropriate threads that we all know I'm referring to?

 

[mxer]

Pay cuts seem minimal. Some work rule changes. Still the best in the ACMI market, as far as I know. All falls apart if the company is told to pound sand by DHL. At least thats how I understand it. You guys are right. DHL gave a sweet deal while sharpening the knife. Seems the best part was the protection that is keeping the guys in the parked aircraft still on payroll and insurance. Others may disagree, thats just my take on it.

 

[nitefr8dog]

FB, that beats some the statements from Nitey.

We're curious as to how low you'll take the profession.

Let's see...1224 negotiating job security with DHL...1224 negotiating scope with DHL.. I do believe that has been tried before. DHL(a 49% owner of Astar) was sharpening it's knife during negotiations with our group.

I can hear it now, "Mucklehead and 1224 said it wouldn't happen to us"...yeah, right!

fob...."that beats some the".... PRICELESS!

 

[flyinboxes]

While we are at it, and this is for anyone out there. Could someone name One Single commitment DHL has signed and then honored? I think they honored the contract with the trucking company on the move to CVG and even that is in dispute already.

On another note, If DHL does pull out of CVG eventually as some have said they may with the speed pack option, what then? Maybe you can borrow our "domestic network" clause. Of course, once Schenker and DHL merge it will get messy.

 

[dontpost2]

Dear confused,
It is good to know we have so much concern about our contract from those that couldn't see the pitfalls in their own thru the dollar signs in front of them. I have to ask why do you even care?

ATSG is becoming the Republic Holdings version of the freight industry

Got to get back to flippin' my burgers here at the In n Out Burger. Glad I make more than an ABX FO.

-Victor

 

[nitefr8dog]

While we are at it, and this is for anyone out there. Could someone name One Single commitment DHL has signed and then honored? I think they honored the contract with the trucking company on the move to CVG and even that is in dispute already.

On another note, If DHL does pull out of CVG eventually as some have said they may with the speed pack option, what then? Maybe you can borrow our "domestic network" clause. Of course, once Schenker and DHL merge it will get messy.

And just as important... does anyone out there remember the last time the Minnesota Twins won the World Series?

 

[mxer]

ATSG is becoming the Republic Holdings version of the freight industry

Got to get back to flippin' my burgers here at the In n Out Burger. Glad I make more than an ABX FO.

-Victor

You obviously have NO idea what an ABX FO makes. If I am wrong and you are making more at burger shop, can I send you my resume?

 

[nitefr8dog]

ATSG is becoming the Republic Holdings version of the freight industry

Got to get back to flippin' my burgers here at the In n Out Burger. Glad I make more than an ABX FO.

-Victor

120K a year WOW you must be real good!

 

[dontpost2]

120K a year WOW you must be real good!

http://www.in-n-out.com/employment_restaurant.asp

I made my base plus 22k last year. 122K.

Managers make as much as ABX FO with your concession you just agreed to on your race to the bottom. The only way you are making that kind of money (120K) is by picking up open time while half your pilot group is out on furlough!

 

[nitefr8dog]

http://www.in-n-out.com/employment_restaurant.asp

I made my base plus 22k last year. 122K.

Managers make as much as ABX FO with your concession you just agreed to on your race to the bottom. The only way you are making that kind of money (120K) is by picking up open time while half your pilot group is out on furlough!

I will spell it out for you 155.00 per hour 65 hour base times 12 = 120900.00. It is all on APC check it out. The downside, I do not get to say I flip burgers for a living!

 

[dontpost2]

I will spell it out for you 155.00 per hour 65 hour base times 12 = 120900.00. It is all on APC check it out. The downside, I do not get to say I flip burgers for a living!

Don't you threaten me mister or I'll put on my red lanyard and picket outside your pilot lounge at the cvg hub tonight. If that doesn't work I'll bring my big ole grey rat and pee on one of your new 767's.

Victor.

 

[nitefr8dog]

Don't you threaten me mister or I'll put on my red lanyard and picket outside your pilot lounge at the cvg hub tonight. If that doesn't work I'll bring my big ole grey rat and pee on one of your new 767's.

Victor.

You still get to wear the cool paper hat!

 

[hvydriver]

I will spell it out for you 155.00 per hour 65 hour base times 12 = 120900.00. It is all on APC check it out. The downside, I do not get to say I flip burgers for a living!

I did try to check it out nite. APC shows what are to shortly be the old pay rates. Care to provide a link to the new pay rates?

 

[dontpost2]

I did try to check it out nite. APC shows what are to shortly be the old pay rates. Care to provide a link to the new pay rates?

chirp........chirp...chirp....

 

[mxer]

I'm sure one of the computer guru types will get APC updated soon. Vote just closed today. Those are accurate numbers though. I've been gone the majority of the year so I won't be there to see it but maybe one of those 6 figure burger flippin jobs will come along soon.

 

[hvydriver]

I'm sure one of the computer guru types will get APC updated soon. Vote just closed today. Those are accurate numbers though. I've been gone the majority of the year so I won't be there to see it but maybe one of those 6 figure burger flippin jobs will come along soon.

mxer,

The numbers on APC are the old pay scales. Not the new ones. The discussion is on what the "new" pay scales will be. Therefore, those numbers are not accurate. Good luck on whatever you decide to do!

 

[LarryinTN]

Care to provide a link to the new pay rates?

Don't know that they are posted anywhere yet.

From memory, Captain pay is around $196/hr, F/O pay is around $137/hr. I think the guarantee goes to 68 hours per calendar month. Junior man pay increased for multiple-day trips and they only get six days per year before they have to pay you and give you the days back. (In the past, they made routine use of serial junior manning) Company can not withhold trips from the lines as they did in the past. Includes an add/drop provision--something we've been trying to get for at least 15 years.

 

[mxer]

Hvy, Thanks for the good luck wish. The numbers that I meant are accurate are the numbers that Nite was saying. I understand what you meant about APC being out of date. Its in the realm of 160K/year and 120k, seat dependent.

 

[nitefr8dog]

I did try to check it out nite. APC shows what are to shortly be the old pay rates. Care to provide a link to the new pay rates?

My answer to the previous post was in response to his statement you could not make 120k as a ABX FO last year again he said LAST year unless you worked alot of overtime. I do not think there is a link yet. Why thinking about applying?

 

[hvydriver]

My answer to the previous post was in response to his statement you could not make 120k as a ABX FO last year again he said LAST year unless you worked alot of overtime. I do not think there is a link yet. Why thinking about applying?

Ah. And no, I'm not thinking about applying. I believe I've stated before that I'm done with aviation. It's all down hill from here in that industry. However, there are many things that you can do that will get you a 120k gross annual salary with a lot less BS. That is what I'm going to do. I'm not so hung up on flying a jet that I'll do it for equal to or less than what I could be making working at the burger joint. Although working at one is not what I have in mind.

 

[flyinboxes]

All this and I'm still confused. Well, the details will be out soon enough. We should have caved and lowered the bar to get the 767-300's. Dang it! Then we could be racing. Where is that Trick turner or Trixie anyway?

Once Joe transfers the 767's to ATI under the DHL/Schenker merger then what? Two Words............restraining order!

 

[nitefr8dog]

All this and I'm still confused. Well, the details will be out soon enough. We should have caved and lowered the bar to get the 767-300's. Dang it! Then we could be racing. Where is that Trick turner or Trixie anyway?

Once Joe transfers the 767's to ATI under the DHL/Schenker merger then what? Two Words............restraining order!

I bet you are the guy everyone says is always confused, you sound like a complete idiot. Be that as it may, Joe has threatened to transfer aircraft in the past and then also said ABX cannot because of the contract language. You seem upset enough about it for both of us so I am not going to worry about it. I am sure you will tell us about it if it happens. I was curious why you find another airlines contract so interesting....but then again what else do you have to do!

 

[nitefr8dog]

Ah. And no, I'm not thinking about applying. I believe I've stated before that I'm done with aviation. It's all down hill from here in that industry. However, there are many things that you can do that will get you a 120k gross annual salary with a lot less BS. That is what I'm going to do. I'm not so hung up on flying a jet that I'll do it for equal to or less than what I could be making working at the burger joint. Although working at one is not what I have in mind.

You also could make more than about 90% of all the major airline in operation working at a burger joint. Hell a few years ago before your last contract you could have made more working at Walmart why didn't you quit then?

 

[hvydriver]

You also could make more than about 90% of all the major airline in operation working at a burger joint. Hell a few years ago before your last contract you could have made more working at Walmart why didn't you quit then?

Because we were on the upswing, and our company was growing. The industry as a whole is in a downhill slide now. And it will not pull out for several years to come. BTW, I saw the press release Graber put out. Seems he and your EB put a whole lot more value on your relationship with DHL than you do. Considering that your concessionary contract relies on striking a deal with DHL for it to take effect.

 

[flyinboxes]

I bet you are the guy everyone says is always confused, you sound like a complete idiot. Be that as it may, Joe has threatened to transfer aircraft in the past and then also said ABX cannot because of the contract language. You seem upset enough about it for both of us so I am not going to worry about it. I am sure you will tell us about it if it happens. I was curious why you find another airlines contract so interesting....but then again what else do you have to do!

My question is still not answered. I guess because you don't have one. You ask why am I so concerned about another carriers contract? You are kidding right? Typical 1224. I am concerned because you are lowering the bar. I am not happy about it and neither is the rest of the industry. We have every right to question it and discuss it because it affects us all in the long run. In spite of what you might believe your decisions as a pilot group affect many many people in this industry. You will be called out on it here and many other places.

P.S. I have plenty to do, but my new job allows me some desk time and access to these boards. I would however like the option to return to the cockpit one day but at this rate there will be nothing to return to.

 

[nitefr8dog]

My question is still not answered. I guess because you don't have one. You ask why am I so concerned about another carriers contract? You are kidding right? Typical 1224. I am concerned because you are lowering the bar. I am not happy about it and neither is the rest of the industry. We have every right to question it and discuss it because it affects us all in the long run. In spite of what you might believe your decisions as a pilot group affect many many people in this industry. You will be called out on it here and many other places.

P.S. I have plenty to do, but my new job allows me some desk time and access to these boards. I would however like the option to return to the cockpit one day but at this rate there will be nothing to return to.

And if you have a new job why do you care about this industry? And when Delta, Northwest, United, FDX (lower hour guarantee) agreed to a realistic approach to the economic conditions did you stay up day and night surfing the message boards asking why oh why, please explain I do not understand simply business models?

 

[FreightBumper]

And if you have a new job why do you care about this industry? And when Delta, Northwest, United, FDX (lower hour guarantee) agreed to a realistic approach to the economic conditions did you stay up day and night surfing the message boards asking why oh why, please explain I do not understand simply business models?

He can't explain it. His own words "I'm confused", sums it all up.