ABX 1224 how low will you go?

[FastHap]

Don't get me wrong - we're happy to work together, and maybe, I'll go so far as to say 'probably', we'll all be one company under one certificate. But this is a strange way to show the love.

Who knows - maybe this is a baby step towards a national seniority list. But to quote a line from Blood Diamond, most people like to be kissed before they get xxxxed. We didn't even get a 'hello' before this proposal was put out. Now isn't that brotherly.

As you said, ATI is now ALPA, along with Cappy. So how is it that ABX represented by IBT can tell two ALPA carriers who to hire? Guess we'll see.

So ATI leaving the teamsters, that was "love"? Believe me, we had enough ALPA love from ASTAR! Don't shackle APA 1224 with Gene Sewel's baggage.

The ATSG board of directors dictate who the respective airlines will hire.

Facts are facts. Joe Hete and ABX Air bought CHI. Peter Fox is enjoying retirement. It's a bold new ACMI world for us all.

I hope we can all work together.

 

[Dick Cabeza]

I hope we can all work together.

Just chatting to my friends at ATI, Not sure that's gonna happen, at least not peacefully. Two separate pilot philosophies. Pay, Basing, etc

 

[b707guy]

And then he put ABX on a rung at the same level as ATI and Cappy.

ATI left IBT as a result of a ball that's been rolling since long before CHI was bought. It became obvious that the love was never going to return, so we started looking around. 1224 started right out of the barrel with a slash at our EXCOs hamstring. How's that for love? We were practically begged to go elsewhere.

You may be right in that ATSGs BOD may in fact dictate who the umbrella underlings are to hire and by which subsidiary. I don't know. But for now, there are three certificates with different needs and different fits. I don't care about original umbrella DOH for pay and benefits, in fact, I think it's a great opportunity. Even an interesting one. But we should still have some say. None of us will resolve this here.

Time for a beer.

 

[FastHap]

Just chatting to my friends at ATI, Not sure that's gonna happen, at least not peacefully. Two separate pilot philosophies. Pay, Basing, etc

Tell your "friends" that the alternative is to fight among our selves.

Is this what they are advocating? The proverbially "race to the bottom"?

And oh by the way, shouldn't you say three separate pilot philosophies, or are ATI and CCIA now all simpatico under ALPO?

 

[FastHap]

You may be right in that ATSGs BOD may in fact dictate who the umbrella underlings are to hire and by which subsidiary. I don't know. But for now, there are three certificates with different needs and different fits. I don't care about original umbrella DOH for pay and benefits, in fact, I think it's a great opportunity. Even an interesting one. But we should still have some say. None of us will resolve this here.

Time for a beer.

True enough!

Cheers!! :beer:

 

[FastHap]

Attention Mods

Just chatting to my friends at ATI, Not sure that's gonna happen, at least not peacefully. Two separate pilot philosophies. Pay, Basing, etc

My bad, this obviously is purely flame bate. My apologies to all for responding to this "person".

Attention mods: Can we please have this user's handle deleted? I find it offensive and of extremely poor taste and humor.

 

[Dick Cabeza]

Attention mods: Can we please have this user's handle deleted? I find it offensive and of extremely poor taste and humor.

I was thinking the same thing about your handle, Doooh....

You Sir Obviously have NO sense of Humor, probably a real stick in the mud to fly with.

PS not Flame Bating, it was just my friends thoughts. Don't take it personal dude.

 

[l8fr82hub]

I personally don't care if ATI puts a bunch of 12 year pay FO's at the bottom of the list unless those FO's begin to undermine our stance against out station basing as some new hires have done. JMHO.

 

[MrSky]

I personally don't care if ATI puts a bunch of 12 year pay FO's at the bottom of the list unless those FO's begin to undermine our stance against out station basing as some new hires have done. JMHO.

I agree, We need people on the property that are Proponents of Home Basing. If you just want to come to ATI for a job at any cost, please do not apply!
We get paid less than the good folks at ABX, but our Home Basing makes up for that. I haven't had to Bow and Curtsy to some Lame A$$ Mainline or Commuter crew to get to work for 10 years (no offense meant, just making a point). And we will fight for that privilege in our next contract!

 

[nitefr8dog]

I personally don't care if ATI puts a bunch of 12 year pay FO's at the bottom of the list unless those FO's begin to undermine our stance against out station basing as some new hires have done. JMHO.

You don't really think a few new hires waiting to be recalled could get your management to change your Home Basing policy do you? It would seem you have other things alot bigger to worry about. The ABX pilots saw an easy commute with 100+ stations turn into a commute nightmare with 14 ABX/DHL cities. We have pilots driving 10 and 12 hours to work to avoid having to jumpseat. ABX has quite a few trips that commercial on one or both ends, they disappear fast and go very senior.We heard rumors of Home Basing during this contract fight but it never happened. It was said on another post you would fight for continued Home Basing...the question is what will you give up? Pay, days off etc. Anything can be had for a price.