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I predict that Airtran gets absorbed into either a post-DAL/AAA merger American Airlines, or UAL.. in the end, the only LCC that is fit to survive is SWA, JB and Airtran are ripe for the buying when the Legacy airlines get strong again and start to put pressure on them in their route structure.

Time will tell, and in the end we can all rest assured that the Managements will win, and the pilots will lose out of any deals that come out.
 
Cobraair75drvr said:
Jam bro,

Unless you are a wb capt. you will be hosed. The only thing aa would want with nwa is the pacific and would only take less 500 wb capts, and staple the rest of us behind TW. Our best hope is our mgmt has the ego to be the surviving airline in a merge with dal or cal and we get doh or get blended via current posistion. Basically no flush or windfalls.
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That would be a big hosing!!!
 
Guessing which airlines are going to merge is just that, guessing.

None of these mergers are logical; they only make sense, or actually cents, to the various people that make large sums of money off the deals. Once they get involved they will see the deal to the end, so they get their money.
 
Nuguy,

I didn't get around anything, Flight Options supposedly made you do the same thing. Funny though, nobody asked me to at either place.
 
V70T5 said:
I predict that Airtran gets absorbed into either a post-DAL/AAA merger American Airlines, or UAL.. in the end, the only LCC that is fit to survive is SWA, JB and Airtran are ripe for the buying when the Legacy airlines get strong again and start to put pressure on them in their route structure.

Time will tell, and in the end we can all rest assured that the Managements will win, and the pilots will lose out of any deals that come out.
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If AA buys AirTran, I guess I'll have to staple myself.
 
In 1999 I left the corporate world making slightly less than $50K a year and had a pile of 401-K money already built up. I was a freshly minted CFI and promply made $7,000 the next year doing that. In 2001 I was hired as an FO at Mesaba and never made more than $36K the whole time there. My ariline career included 9/11, contract negotiation that resulted in the much trumpted "virtual strike", dangled CRJ carrot and airline bankruptcy. My wife and I were arguing about how many holidays I missed while I was there. Thanksgiving was my best one, I only missed three of them.

There isn't a sentence that can be written anymore that would make me consider another airline job. I don't care how much hope you guys put on schedule expansions, fleet upgrades, mergers or whatever. The airlines are like cheap furniture stores, in business to go out of business. The real issue is the capacity in the system. By taking concessions, pilots and all other labor groups are enabling the airlines to continue paying themselves bonues while not addressing the real problems. I just wish I had never known how fun it is to fly planes.........
 
Avro--Try getting laid off less than a year after you had been a MD80 Capt. making 160k.

Flying is great. The flying business sucks. Putting in 15 years at TWA was no picnic--constantly looking over your shoulder, waiting for the banks to pull the plug, working for chief pilots who, after 20 years still barely had 2,000 hours of flight time with the company.

But, once I knew I was getting laid off, I came to the realization that flying is what I do. It's what I am. I can't separate "me" from "pilot". There is no "getting out of the business". But that's just me. This is all I've ever wanted to do--literally since I knew what an airplane was.

There will be no Jiffy Lube or Dairy Queen franchise in my future. Hope you find something that makes you happy. TC
 
Career-wise, I am an aspiring Powerball winner. If I am sucessful watch their website for the press release. On being happy, that comes with being home with my family every night and not in Montreal or OKC or Des Moines.

When I told my wife I was ready to leave the airline, I told her that the things I wanted to do in aviation no longer involve flying airliners. I want to fly a P-51 (there is a place in FL where you can) and I want to find a way to share aviation with my boys, whether it is RC, a small plane that we buy/build or just rent a 152 every once in a while.

I agree that it is hard to seperate the pilot from yourself, but what is easy for me to seperate is the union mentality. I was never a good ALPA member. I vote Republican and had a fiance background. Maybe I should have been an airline manager instead, but I can't treat people as bad as they do and still sleep at night so there goes that career option. ALPA just seems to want to fight something every day. If the airlines came out and said they like the color blue, ALPA would respond that the color blue is a direct assault on the working conditions, saftey and career stability of its membership. If the real problems ever got solved, there would be no need for ALPA so why would ALPA want them solved? The membership that I belonged to at XJ in my opinion approved a luke warm contract in 2004 (which I did not vote for). They just approved concessions that would have further reduced the miserable pay rates I worked under. I have decided to vote with my feet and allow the next generation of XJ pilots to find these things out for themselves.

So, no franchise for me either. I am content to be hopeful that I will find a source of income that is fun. I enjoy being home with my family. I can now implement my personal policy of never doing business with a company that is operating under bankruptcy protection (even if it means not driving a US made vehicle if GM files to get away from there pension obligations (and I would debate you about that a Honda Accord is more of a US car than my Suburban) because I know what it is like to work for a company like that. I may even get a new subscription to AOPA since I am no longer part of the ALPA movement, but I am still a pilot and believe that it is one of the great freedoms that we have in our country, atleast for now.

A month or so ago I was driving along and spotted a CRJ overhead about to enter at mid-field for a downwind at my local airport. In my head I could see what they were seeing, the field there, slowing down, getting the plane configured and so on. I imagined that they were probably wondering if the cafe was still open, if they could get a bite to eat before the return passengers boarded. I'm sure they turned on their cell phones on the taxi in to see if they had any messages from home. All of those things hit me in a moment and I thought I missed them. I then turned and looked in the seat next to me, and the birthday cake that was there for my son. I thought about how nice it was that I didn't have to call in sick to be there that day, that the seniority I had wouldn't have allowed me to bid a schedule to be there. That I wouldn't have to pack a bag and leave the next day, or worse that afternoon. I haven't had a meal out of a bag in the last two months hardly. I wont bore you with anything else but this. The above things I have seperated from myself very nicely. What is left is still a pilot to the core.
 
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jstarav8r said:
If AA buys AirTran, I guess I'll have to staple myself.
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Why? IT should go by earnings.. A 3rd yr guy at AirTran made a lot more money than a 3rd year AA..
 
AA717driver said:
Avro--Try getting laid off less than a year after you had been a MD80 Capt. making 160k.

Flying is great. The flying business sucks. Putting in 15 years at TWA was no picnic--constantly looking over your shoulder, waiting for the banks to pull the plug, working for chief pilots who, after 20 years still barely had 2,000 hours of flight time with the company.

But, once I knew I was getting laid off, I came to the realization that flying is what I do. It's what I am. I can't separate "me" from "pilot". There is no "getting out of the business". But that's just me. This is all I've ever wanted to do--literally since I knew what an airplane was.

There will be no Jiffy Lube or Dairy Queen franchise in my future. Hope you find something that makes you happy. TC
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AA717DRIVER-

Married? Kids? Family?

just curious
 
Hi!

Airtran is looking at buying Midwest Airlines. They already did the code share thing with Frontier.

cliff
GRB
 
Satpak--I am married but send me a pic--I'm always on the lookout for new talent. ;)

I guess you mean how did I survive the paycut? I got called to fly the airplane in my avatar the day I got laid off. No family money and my wife is a bank teller.

We had very high limits on our credit cards. TC
 
I guess payroll must have made a mistake paying me 9 year pay. Cool!
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Thanks to Carty for letting ya keep pay-seniority from TWA.

Others had to start on the bottom drawing probation pay for 15 months.:rolleyes:
 
atpcliff said:
Hi!

Airtran is looking at buying Midwest Airlines. They already did the code share thing with Frontier.

cliff
GRB
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And you know this from where?
 
AA717driver said:
Satpak--I am married but send me a pic--I'm always on the lookout for new talent. ;)

I guess you mean how did I survive the paycut? I got called to fly the airplane in my avatar the day I got laid off. No family money and my wife is a bank teller.

We had very high limits on our credit cards. TC
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Sounds good brother. Yes, it was a "how did you manage with a family" type of question, which you answered.

Take care
 
CSY--Do you have a lot of people ahead of you for recall? They are running through them pretty quickly.

As of today (per APA) they have 9 for the Jan. 3 class with 5 undecideds and 6 who have bypassed but not returned the letter. They are through 79 so far (including the FIS).

This comes from someone who called APA. I've heard that they've gone through more than 79.

If they stick to 10/month I've at least got 125 flowbies ahead of me so that's a year's worth of recalls to get to me. Looks like I'll be spending Christmas '07 at home... ;) TC
 
AA717driver said:
CSY--Do you have a lot of people ahead of you for recall? They are running through them pretty quickly.

As of today (per APA) they have 9 for the Jan. 3 class with 5 undecideds and 6 who have bypassed but not returned the letter. They are through 79 so far (including the FIS).

This comes from someone who called APA. I've heard that they've gone through more than 79.

If they stick to 10/month I've at least got 125 flowbies ahead of me so that's a year's worth of recalls to get to me. Looks like I'll be spending Christmas '07 at home... ;) TC
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TC,

Do you have access? If not PM me your email and I will send you the recall sheet that is out as of this morning.

AA
 
AA--A friend at APA sent me the list. Thanks.TC
 
No problem, had a couple other guys PM me for it. I had an idea, let me know what you think. It seems hard, and other times difficult to find out info, ie like the list this morning. There are also rumors (i know how bad they can be, but some do come to fruition), however they are also scattered through out the different forums and message boards. How about a weekly or bi-weekly flyer giving the lastest infor from the company regarding recalls, information on company events, ie the chaos today from the weather, and lastly the latest rumors.

Do you think guys may want this info condensed into a two page email friendly flyer? I am more than willing to put in the time, just wondering if it would be worth it.

Regards,

AA
 

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