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macdu

macdu

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I heard from a flowback buddy of mine yesterday that it had taken 52 phone calls to get the first 10 to accept recall. Anybody able to confirm that? Do you think that will be the norm if it is true?
 
Yep. But most of those called where furlough in stead (voluntary) people who probably have better things going on. Once they get through those people, then it will be the flowbacks - which if i'm not mistaken, have to take the recall. I think I read somewhere that they expect about an 1:8 ratio when it's all said and done.
 
A good friend of mine at AA told me that it was a 1 in 6.. (1 coming in out of 6)..

With 1000 retiring in the next 3 years, and hopefully some expansion of the schedule.. I'll be getting my call to go to class inside a year! (optimism)
 
Does a furlough in stead get only one shot at recall? If they turn down there recall once are they done?
 
"With 1000 retiring in the next 3 years, and hopefully some expansion of the schedule.. I'll be getting my call to go to class inside a year! (optimism)"

When were you furloughed?
 
magrs said:
"With 1000 retiring in the next 3 years, and hopefully some expansion of the schedule.. I'll be getting my call to go to class inside a year! (optimism)"

When were you furloughed?
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check your PM.
 
tubelcane said:
Well I'm not going back if they ever do call me. I would qualify as having better things going on.
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so which is it, SWA, Fedex or UPS?
 
tubelcane said:
None of the above, The Tranny is where I sit now. Beats being furloughed any day of the week.
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so you feel better about their future than AMR? (I ask seriously).
 
Its about game time so Ill keep this short. I don't know what to think about this industry. If I was at SW, Fedex, or UPS I'd be thrilled, Im not. I do have 250 guys below after a year with 300 + more coming next year. I made more money last year as a first year fo for Airtran than Ive ever made flying. I have a line and atleast 15 days off a month. I will have the opportunity to upgrade in the next 3 years. If I went back to American, I would be at the bottom, on reserve, and not upgrade for what maybe 10 years? A roommate from college was hired there a few months before I got on with TWA. He hated it from day 1. He was very disappointed the way he was treated by other crewmembers when they found out his background wasn't what they determined appropriate. Now he is at Eagle and is has been contemplating getting out of flying all together. I think, but don't quote me, American has furloughed every decade they've been in business. Airtran may not be around in a few years but I don't get treated like dirt by fellow pilots, and we fly good equipment. The contract is a whole other ball of wax. But we could go back and forth on that. My uncle always says when we are hunting "no matter what we do it's gonna be wrong." I feel like that sums up my career to this point; Allegheny, TWA, Flight Options. Hopefully Airtran makes it. Hopefully everyone makes it, this sure isn't the career it used to be. But unless we're gonna go back to school, or buy a franchise, this is all some of us know how to do. So the simple answer to your question for me Airtran or AMR, is Airtran. Feel free to pm me or charbroil me. So much for keeping it short.
 
No, I can see your point.. but I am told Airtran is going thru hard times now, this is why I asked.. Are they really hiring 300 next year?
 
Tubelcane,

It's good to see another TWA'er happy where they are currently. I'm the same. AA, reserve as a redheaded step child captain in 10+ years maybe, or CAL with a clean slate and a bright future and captain in 3-5 years. No brainer.

Good Luck.
 
I'm curius to see if the recalls continue at AA... Age 65 or greater than 60 sure seems to be heating. AA recalls (for now) are predicated on attrition not expansion. Everyone else seems to be expanding except for AA. Is that a bad thing? Not to the share holders. AA stock is higher than it has been in at least 6 years. Arpey and the bean counters seem to be happy with the way things are. Keep containment on capacity driving ticket prices higher.
 
I'm curius to see if the recalls continue at AA... Age 65 or greater than 60 sure seems to be heating. AA recalls (for now) are predicated on attrition not expansion. Everyone else seems to be expanding except for AA. Is that a bad thing? Not to the share holders. AA stock is higher than it has been in at least 6 years. Arpey and the bean counters seem to be happy with the way things are. Keep containment on capacity driving ticket prices higher.
 
GIII Instructor said:
I'm curius to see if the recalls continue at AA... Age 65 or greater than 60 sure seems to be heating. AA recalls (for now) are predicated on attrition not expansion. Everyone else seems to be expanding except for AA. Is that a bad thing? Not to the share holders. AA stock is higher than it has been in at least 6 years. Arpey and the bean counters seem to be happy with the way things are. Keep containment on capacity driving ticket prices higher.
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I hope age 65 waits another few years.. it would be bad to pass that with all these guys on the street, but then when did congress or the FAA ever care about pilots.

As for not expanding, I'm sure they're waiting for a time/place.. no company can just hold it's ground for ever.. dynamics are a part of the game.
 
V70T5 said:
I hope age 65 waits another few years.. it would be bad to pass that with all these guys on the street, but then when did congress or the FAA ever care about pilots.

As for not expanding, I'm sure they're waiting for a time/place.. no company can just hold it's ground for ever.. dynamics are a part of the game.
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Expansion at AA is called BUY NWA!! I think it is going to happen. I am not happy about it but then conditions here suck. One thing is for sure, if we get bought out, it will be great for NWA. That will mean Wilson, Steenland and Cohen will be gone.
 
For Everybody at NWA, if you're gonna get bought, I sure hope that ANYBODY BUT American buys you.

It's always better to make it as a stand-alone carrier than to get caught up in the quagmire of an acquisition. That holds true whether you're buying or being bought.
 
tubelcane said:
None of the above, The Tranny is where I sit now. Beats being furloughed any day of the week.
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That's interesting considering that AirTran has required letters of resignation if they hired furloughees (since prior to 9/11). How'd you get around that?

Nu
 
75M said:
For Everybody at NWA, if you're gonna get bought, I sure hope that ANYBODY BUT American buys you.

It's always better to make it as a stand-alone carrier than to get caught up in the quagmire of an acquisition. That holds true whether you're buying or being bought.
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I agree. AMR would be the worst scenario for us. I would preffer that NWA go at it alone. There is nothing we can do about it but hold on for a bumpy ride!
 
75M--You home next weekend? I'll give you a call. TC
 
tubelcane said:
Its about game time so Ill keep this short. I don't know what to think about this industry. If I was at SW, Fedex, or UPS I'd be thrilled, Im not. I do have 250 guys below after a year with 300 + more coming next year. I made more money last year as a first year fo for Airtran than Ive ever made flying. I have a line and atleast 15 days off a month. I will have the opportunity to upgrade in the next 3 years. If I went back to American, I would be at the bottom, on reserve, and not upgrade for what maybe 10 years? A roommate from college was hired there a few months before I got on with TWA. He hated it from day 1. He was very disappointed the way he was treated by other crewmembers when they found out his background wasn't what they determined appropriate. Now he is at Eagle and is has been contemplating getting out of flying all together. I think, but don't quote me, American has furloughed every decade they've been in business. Airtran may not be around in a few years but I don't get treated like dirt by fellow pilots, and we fly good equipment. The contract is a whole other ball of wax. But we could go back and forth on that. My uncle always says when we are hunting "no matter what we do it's gonna be wrong." I feel like that sums up my career to this point; Allegheny, TWA, Flight Options. Hopefully Airtran makes it. Hopefully everyone makes it, this sure isn't the career it used to be. But unless we're gonna go back to school, or buy a franchise, this is all some of us know how to do. So the simple answer to your question for me Airtran or AMR, is Airtran. Feel free to pm me or charbroil me. So much for keeping it short.
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Ditto!

I'm exTWA flying for Airtran. I'm goin' to ride this until I get thrown off.

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American will not be number 2. They will buy to maintain their "largest airline in the world" title.
 
Jam bro,

Unless you are a wb capt. you will be hosed. The only thing aa would want with nwa is the pacific and would only take less 500 wb capts, and staple the rest of us behind TW. Our best hope is our mgmt has the ego to be the surviving airline in a merge with dal or cal and we get doh or get blended via current posistion. Basically no flush or windfalls.
 
Cobraair--Management only cares about how THEY come out. If they can get a huge payout by merging/selling, they'll do it. The only other consideration is if they can pull enough weight to be slotted into the #2 spot behind a 65 y.o. CEO...

That's where the BIG bucks are. :rolleyes: TC
 

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