AA recall rumors/gossip

[Fishpaw]

Any chance AA will raise yr 1 pay above $35/hr?

 

[Flyby1206]

No, you have it wrong. When 49% or less of a carrier--either union represented or not--is acquired/merged, whatever--then the Bond/McCaskill legislation does not apply.

In all other instances a right of arbitration is the minimum...whether union represented or not.

stlflyguy

So lets pretend AMR buys 49% of jetblue. Why would there be any integration of pilot seniority lists?

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

Does anybody seriously expect JetBlue pilots to get anything other than DOH or OTB of the seniority list?

 

[Mama's Boy]

This has to be one of the worst threads going. Talk about thread drift.

It started out with AA recalls and then moved into a my cock is bigger than yours because of the size of my type rating and now a discussion on a SLI for a fantasy merger.

I guess I made it drift even further with my pointless comment.

Anyway, aren't the moderators supposed to shut down any thread that drifts into SLI topics.

 

[stlflyguy]

Does anybody seriously expect JetBlue pilots to get anything other than DOH or OTB of the seniority list?

Well, you know, AA is a struggling carrier...being eclipsed in size by many of its peers....and is giving up in markets that it can't compete in....

 

[stlflyguy]

How many does AA want to recall and for what reason?

 

[GuppyWN]

Does anybody seriously expect JetBlue pilots to get anything other than DOH or OTB of the seniority list?

According to some people the Jetblue guys should get relative.

Gup

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

According to some people the Jetblue guys should get relative.

Gup

LOL, I heard they were going to merge JetBlue with Eagle. All 6 Eagle seniority mergers have been DOH.

 

[BoilerUP]

P.S.--When I was looking at Emirates, they wouldn't accept GV/GIV PIC time. I understand. If that's the biggest airplane you've flown, you ARE a risk for training failure compared to some guy with 3,000 hours of 737 time. There IS a difference.

TC,

There have been many pilots hired by Emirates who have flown nothing larger than a 53,000lb CRJ-200...which is 20k lbs lighter than a G-IV, let alone a G-V. Perhaps they were hired under different hiring conditions than when you were looking, but none that I know had any trouble during their widebody initial training.

If Emirates want 121 PIC then that's fine...but "aircraft size" alone doesn't tell the whole story.

PS - airplane detailer left me a bottle of Woodford as a thanks for our business this year, I'll raise a highball to you

 

[AceOnTheRiver]

How many does AA want to recall and for what reason?

AA decided against buying another carrier. From what I hear AA is planning on massive growth similar to the 80's. They are looking at reducing their costs and seniority from the expansion. The timing should be good since SouthWest is becoming a high cost airline. More 787's, 777's, 737's, C-Series on the way. Time to Captain should come down to 3 years for C-Series, 5 for 737, and 10 for 777 in the future.

 

[Wingman10]

AA decided against buying another carrier. From what I hear AA is planning on massive growth similar to the 80's. They are looking at reducing their costs and seniority from the expansion. The timing should be good since SouthWest is becoming a high cost airline. More 787's, 777's, 737's, C-Series on the way. Time to Captain should come down to 3 years for C-Series, 5 for 737, and 10 for 777 in the future.

What source is this information coming from? Is that your hope or is
that what AA pilot's can expect over the next 3 -5 years?

Just curious..........

 

[aa73]

There have been many pilots hired by Emirates who have flown nothing larger than a 53,000lb CRJ-200...which is 20k lbs lighter than a G-IV, let alone a G-V. Perhaps they were hired under different hiring conditions than when you were looking, but none that I know had any trouble during their widebody initial training.

True but Emirates is probably more interested in the 121 time that CRJ pilot has vs. the corporate G5 guy whose flying is nothing like 121. So in this case the weight difference doesn't really matter, it's more the style of flying that fits the bill.

 

[BoilerUP]

True but Emirates is probably more interested in the 121 time that CRJ pilot has vs. the corporate G5 guy whose flying is nothing like 121. So in this case the weight difference doesn't really matter, it's more the style of flying that fits the bill.

Without a doubt...but its not like TC didn't have thousands of hours of 121 experience (if not PIC experience) before he got his "vacation" from AA and ended up as PIC of one of the largest long-range bizjets out there.

 

[aa73]

Yeah but TC just plain refuses to wear a hat, so he didn't fit the mold over there. :laugh:

 

[magrs]

Weren't the majority of JB guys hired after 9/11? I don't think date of hire will hurt many furloughed AMR folks. I know we had a bunch of furloughees go to JB, which naturally occured after 911

 

[RJ Bum]

AA decided against buying another carrier. From what I hear AA is planning on massive growth similar to the 80's. They are looking at reducing their costs and seniority from the expansion. The timing should be good since SouthWest is becoming a high cost airline. More 787's, 777's, 737's, C-Series on the way. Time to Captain should come down to 3 years for C-Series, 5 for 737, and 10 for 777 in the future.

Pass the j , I got to get me some of that

 

[airgator]

Also, the return of monthly flight attendant weigh-ins and 90 hr guarantee

 

[Draginass]

From what I hear AA is planning on massive growth similar to the 80's.

Not if you listen to the CFO or new VP of Flight. CFO says 1% and the VP of Flight says 3-4%. That's not massive growth, and even that is probably propaganda.

 

[XTW]

Without a doubt...but its not like TC didn't have thousands of hours of 121 experience (if not PIC experience) before he got his "vacation" from AA and ended up as PIC of one of the largest long-range bizjets out there.

It's obvious, they found out what football team TC supports. Don't look any deeper than that. Damn flatlanders! :laugh:

X

 

[TWA Dude]

There's no "massive growth" to be had. The domestic market is mature, meaning no room for growth. International, sure, but nothing massive. Incremental growth is more likely. And that ain't much.

 

[jonjuan]

Also, the return of monthly flight attendant weigh-ins and 90 hr guarantee

Pilot weigh ins and upgrade WILL go down to 7 years.

 

[jonjuan]

There's no "massive growth" to be had. The domestic market is mature, meaning no room for growth. International, sure, but nothing massive. Incremental growth is more likely. And that ain't much.

Not according to Gary Kelly on 12/15/10 (of course, he probably doesn't know what he's talking about
"As I listen to the industry talk, they're very pessimistic, and certainly very pessimistic about the opportunities domestically," Kelly said. "We have the exact opposite view."

 

[AA717driver]

I didn't see anyone invite frac guys in here--especially frac guys from states that have NO professional sports teams.

Boiler--I should have said that differently about Emirates. I was looking at the DEC and rapid advancement positions. I didn't qualify for the DEC because of my Gulfstream PIC time but I would have qualified for the quick upgrade program.

They have hired several FO's with only CRJ/ERJ/Light Corporate time.

The comment about GV guys being "a risk" was only in the sense that for DEC's you really have to hit the ground running. (Although flying a GV around the world would seem to be a whole lot better prep for EK command than flying a 737 around the 48.)

AA73--I was only following your lead by not wearing my hat.

HalinTx--Funny, I thought the L10 was easy and the 767 hard. Go figure.

On topic: The new VP Flight said that, although only 250 recalls have been announced, expect there to be no end and to anticipate hiring once they cycle through the list.

I have heard the rumor (from people in the company but outside the Flight Ops dept.) about "80's type growth". We'll see.

So, XTW, when you coming back?

TC

 

[ERfly]

On topic: The new VP Flight said that, although only 250 recalls have been announced, expect there to be no end and to anticipate hiring once they cycle through the list.

Any idea how far down said list they are?

 

[pipejockey]

The AE flow-ups that were forced on AA by the arbitrators decision generally had a tough time in training, despite helpful, fair and honest instruction. A lot of those guys have very narrow experience (50 seat RJs at best) and no big airplane experience and were having trouble with even the MD-80 and 737 school (none have gone thru the 757/767 program which is much more difficult). Many had lots of additional training required. Failure rate is about 10% from what I hear, at least so far. That seems to be much higher than traditional off-the-street hiring, but off-the-streeters usually have more breadth of experience in a wider range of larger and more complex aircraft than commuter pilots.

But keep in mind that the sample size so far is fairly small, so statistically it's not definitive.

Oh I see. So AA has always filled their classes with military pilots exclusively? They don't hire regional pilots?

 

[pipejockey]

True, I was about 3 numbers to be recalled, but now 183 because of the Throw ups which have a very high fail rate according to a AA check pilot.

Kind of like the throw backs had? Is that what you're saying?
That whole AA/Eagle debacle is a riot! Never has such a dysfunctional family existed, nor will it ever again! What's the matter with all you clowns over there from both sides? Explain yourselves? Inquiring minds want to know?

 

[Flyby1206]

Kind of like the throw backs had? Is that what you're saying?
That whole AA/Eagle debacle is a riot! Never has such a dysfunctional family existed, nor will it ever again! What's the matter with all you clowns over there from both sides? Explain yourselves? Inquiring minds want to know?

AA is the big brother and AE is the little brother. Constant quarreling and bickering that comes with sibling rivalry.

 

[airgator]

How senior are SFO and LAX?

 

[AA717driver]

How senior are SFO and LAX?

SFO has been steadily downsizing (like BOS and, now, ORD). LAX is kind of in the middle. LGA and MIA are the junior bases with DFW (and more recently, ORD) being senior. STL/S80 is pretty junior but may fill up with TWA recallees.

Who knows what will happen in the next couple of years, though.

TC

 

[pipejockey]

AA is the big brother and AE is the little brother. Constant quarreling and bickering that comes with sibling rivalry.

Yes! But don't siblings finally grow up and become mature and intelligent adults and get along for the most part? This has been going on for what? 20 years? I sure wish they would work together over there for the betterment of everyone in the profession. Eagle does what, like 97% of AA's rj flying? They are in the perfect position to create a cutting edge agreement between the pilot groups where scope would no longer be an issue and all flying could be done in house! And it won't happen because why? A few military pilots who seem to think that they should be entitled to a major airline seat right off the bat?