AA recall rumors/gossip

[PFTEXPJET]

Sniper
Indeed....best a/c to learn.....you took my statement in the wrong way.
I agree. Just read my post as a positive. Many 1900 drivers did just fine during their training with the majors. You dont have to have heavy experience on order to pass AMR training as it was said

Sniper, sorry, my fault.

 

[FO 4 Life]

Ummm, not quite. Top SWA F/O pay is $147/hr... bottom AA CA pay is $161/hr not to mention the retirement. I know, I know, they aren't far off... just trying to keep the facts straight here.

And yes, only reason to come here to AA would be the explosive trip up the seniority list when it starts taking off.

Somebody, anybody needs a big A$$ contract in the next couple of years.

Selfish on my part, I know. FOs above 185 and captains higher than 261.

 

[777forever]

The AE flow-ups that were forced on AA by the arbitrators decision generally had a tough time in training, despite helpful, fair and honest instruction. A lot of those guys have very narrow experience (50 seat RJs at best) and no big airplane experience and were having trouble with even the MD-80 and 737 school (none have gone thru the 757/767 program which is much more difficult). Many had lots of additional training required. Failure rate is about 10% from what I hear, at least so far. That seems to be much higher than traditional off-the-street hiring, but off-the-streeters usually have more breadth of experience in a wider range of larger and more complex aircraft than commuter pilots.

But keep in mind that the sample size so far is fairly small, so statistically it's not definitive.

You are full of that stuff that people drop in the toilet. An airplane is an airplane.

 

[spacecadet1]

Ummm, not quite. Top SWA F/O pay is $147/hr... bottom AA CA pay is $161/hr not to mention the retirement. I know, I know, they aren't far off... just trying to keep the facts straight here.

And yes, only reason to come here to AA would be the explosive trip up the seniority list when it starts taking off.

I don't see it taking off, despite rumors. I see them continuing to give away domestic to JB, and trying to make an end run and give the hypothetical 100 seater to eagle.

 

[spacecadet1]

APA will also probably create a new B scale with no pension and even crappier pay to dump on future new hires.

 

[Flyby1206]

I think you want to stay away from AA. Look at SW when they start hiring again. Or Fed-ex and UPS. Sw FO's are making more than AA Captains; sad but true.

Ok... SWA pilots are the highest paid, most productive pilots in the industry. So where do you go from there?

I remember not too long ago when certain mainline groups had that same mentality as "I am the greatest ever" and it didnt end well for them.

 

[aa73]

I don't see it taking off, despite rumors. I see them continuing to give away domestic to JB, and trying to make an end run and give the hypothetical 100 seater to eagle.

They can only give away so much in codeshare. If they give away too much, they start losing too much market share in a kind of reverse economy of scale, and they get to a point where even revenues from the codeshare do not make up for the loss of market share. Not gonna happen. AMR WILL grow, exponentially.

The 100 seater already belongs to us. It would be up to us to give it away. And trust me, scope is the NUMBER ONE issue in this contract.

This company is going to go nuclear with growth. They've already let the cat out of the bag in regards to that. You can expect to see an aircraft order soon, prob a mix of widebodies and narrowbodies. The 100 seat aircraft that they desperately need WILL be flown by AA pilots. It's as important to us as pay and retirement, and will not be given up. And this will all be accomplished WITH a hefty pay restoration. Simple, AA pilots have the leverage now.

Growth, along with retirements, are going to produce the kind of movement and CA upgrades not seen since the 1980s within the next few years here.

 

[spacecadet1]

They can only give away so much in codeshare. If they give away too much, they start losing too much market share in a kind of reverse economy of scale, and they get to a point where even revenues from the codeshare do not make up for the loss of market share. Not gonna happen. AMR WILL grow, exponentially.

The 100 seater already belongs to us. It would be up to us to give it away. And trust me, scope is the NUMBER ONE issue in this contract.

This company is going to go nuclear with growth. They've already let the cat out of the bag in regards to that. You can expect to see an aircraft order soon, prob a mix of widebodies and narrowbodies. The 100 seat aircraft that they desperately need WILL be flown by AA pilots. It's as important to us as pay and retirement, and will not be given up. And this will all be accomplished WITH a hefty pay restoration. Simple, AA pilots have the leverage now.

Growth, along with retirements, are going to produce the kind of movement and CA upgrades not seen since the 1980s within the next few years here.

Hope you're right, but I'm thinking you've been smoking too much DFW dope.

 

[aa73]

Hope you're right, but I'm thinking you've been smoking too much DFW dope.

Nope, sorry, I'm not a DFW management lackey, far from it... I'm an APA SPC volunteer and hard core unionist who just happens to look at cold hard business facts... and the facts are that AMR has been shocked into reality and will now spend the next few years playing catch up... which means a lot of growth for us (and leverage for our pilots.)

 

[cldsfr79]

The AE flow-ups that were forced on AA by the arbitrators decision generally had a tough time in training, despite helpful, fair and honest instruction. A lot of those guys have very narrow experience (50 seat RJs at best) and no big airplane experience and were having trouble with even the MD-80 and 737 school (none have gone thru the 757/767 program which is much more difficult). Many had lots of additional training required. Failure rate is about 10% from what I hear, at least so far.

Yeah because flying a 737 is so much harder than an rj. It always makes me laugh when I read job requirements requesting "heavy jet time" and that rj time or private jets don't make the cut. It's safe to say that my corporate jet I fly has the same automation, higher climb rate (thrust to weight ratio), and matched speed as a 737, but it doesn't count because it's not heavy enough.

I would like to see the AA heavy drives get in an Eagle Saab or ATR and fly 6 legs a day with the autopilot deferred. I've done the Saab and it was far more challenging with it's dated systems and flight characteristics than any jet I've flown. Also the Saab ground school was a nightmare compared to the jets I've flown.

Just my two cents.

 

[jetjam619]

The AE guys coming over who already have seniority numbers aren't spring chickens. I would say they fit with the AA demographics being mostly between 47-57.

If Eagle is sold the guys with numbers still flow, but I believe the 824 guys that are supposed to be brought over with newhires off the street would be in jeopardy.

The 824 ARE included in the flow with newbies......eventually ,there will be over a thousand AE pilots at AA.....

 

[stlflyguy]

Nope, sorry, I'm not a DFW management lackey, far from it... I'm an APA SPC volunteer and hard core unionist who just happens to look at cold hard business facts... and the facts are that AMR has been shocked into reality and will now spend the next few years playing catch up... which means a lot of growth for us (and leverage for our pilots.)

What cities/bases do you expect the growth? How many airframes, total, do you foresee on the property (not including Eagle)?

stlflyguy

 

[aa73]

Stlflyguy.... From what we've been told, AA will focus on the "cornerpost" hubs (JFK, MIA, DFW, LAX) which is where they are most profitable. I'd say JFK, MIA and LAX will see a lot of growth, slightly less at DFW. ORD seems to be the big if, I think AMR will stay constant there since they have not been as profitable there competing against UACO/Star.

Regarding fleet, lots of changes coming up. There will most likely be a new fleet coming on to the property soon - think 777-300 or along those lines - along with the the much needed 100 seat gap filler, and also replacements for the domestic 757s (which are costing a lot of $$$ in maintenance due to expired warranties.)

Needless to say, there will be a lot of movement coming up in the next few years.

 

[RNP.15]

I just hope this "growth" doesn't involve Alaska.

 

[fareview]

Yeah because flying a 737 is so much harder than an rj. It always makes me laugh when I read job requirements requesting "heavy jet time" and that rj time or private jets don't make the cut. It's safe to say that my corporate jet I fly has the same automation, higher climb rate (thrust to weight ratio), and matched speed as a 737, but it doesn't count because it's not heavy enough.

I would like to see the AA heavy drives get in an Eagle Saab or ATR and fly 6 legs a day with the autopilot deferred. I've done the Saab and it was far more challenging with it's dated systems and flight characteristics than any jet I've flown. Also the Saab ground school was a nightmare compared to the jets I've flown.

Just my two cents.

Wow...impressive, dont think I could handle it.

;>

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