AA Pilot Leader Wants America West Pilots in Seniority Talks - Article

[Turtle21]

This says it all really.

http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/East-West_NIC_DOH_pic.pdf

Interesting to note where the USAPA officers fall on the NIC vs. DOH.

That's a chapter somewhere in the middle of the story.

Soon enough three arbitrators will tell the conclusion of the story, and we will all live happily ever after with a fair and equitable seniority list. Finally!

 

[Flopgut]

Regarding the Nic, I have asked many times over the years for one person to provide me one document that requires the Nic to be used. Just one document. Just one document that requires the Nic to be used...

That thing* three signatures got written on, that wasn't a "document"?

*binding arbitration agreement

 

[Turtle21]

That thing* three signatures got written on, that wasn't a "document"?

*binding arbitration agreement

More rhetorical questions based on implicit assumptions....

Just show us the legal document. Give us a link.

HINT: it doesn't exist. That is why THREE courts said the Nic was not required.

 

[Flopgut]

You entered into binding arbitration with with George Nicolau. That's all that has to be said. You're beneath living up to your word. That's all you've succeeded in proving after all these years. (And throw away $) It was a painful pill to swallow, and I mostly do blame Prater. But you have to see you've made things much worse than just going along with the Nic [big picture]

 

[Turtle21]

You entered into binding arbitration with with George Nicolau. That's all that has to be said. You're beneath living up to your word. That's all you've succeeded in proving after all these years. (And throw away $) It was a painful pill to swallow, and I mostly do blame Prater. But you have to see you've made things much worse than just going along with the Nic [big picture]

Implicit assumptions and no proof. Marty Harper should have come clean with you guys when the 9th outed him years ago.

 

[Flopgut]

You're stuck on the specifics of the Nic, you need to rededicate yourself to what the word "binding" means. Some very close version of the Nic has to prevail. The other side has rights too.

 

[Turtle21]

You're stuck on the specifics of the Nic, you need to rededicate yourself to what the word "binding" means. Some very close version of the Nic has to prevail. The other side has rights too.

I couldn't care less about the specifics of the Nic.

Yes, all sides have rights in a contract.

"Binding" is an inherent quality of any contract. The explicit terms are indeed binding, but implicit assumptions are not.

The court ruled that USAPA and USAir fully complied with all the binding requirements of the 2005 TA... and now all agreements prior to Dec 2013 are nullified and replaced with the MOU and Protocol Agreement.

Soon enough we will have a JCBA and will all live happily ever after.

 

[Draginass]

What will the east pilots do if they don't get DOH in the coming arbitration?

What will the west pilots do if the Nicolau list is not used?

 

[General Lee]

I have talked with the CLT rep personally. I know his opinion.

Regarding the Nic, I have asked many times over the years for one person to provide me one document that requires the Nic to be used. Just one document. Just one document that requires the Nic to be used....

Plenty of people have big mouths but not no one has a legal document.

I hear ya, but that's like saying "yeah, I lost the hand at poker, but I'm not handing over my money to the casino, I don't see a legal document...." You all agreed to a binding agreement. Not abiding by it is also morally wrong, like a forgotten hand shake. Maybe you don't see that, but everyone else does, and it's bad for all other arbitration cases in the future. (Now there will be an "out" if you have the numbers)

Again, maybe you don't mind being morally bankrupt. It's a shame if that's the case. When you agree to do something, you should follow through.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Turtle21]

I hear ya, but that's like saying "yeah, I lost the hand at poker, but I'm not handing over my money to the casino, I don't see a legal document...." You all agreed to a binding agreement. Not abiding by it is also morally wrong, like a forgotten hand shake. Maybe you don't see that, but everyone else does, and it's bad for all other arbitration cases in the future. (Now there will be an "out" if you have the numbers)

Again, maybe you don't mind being morally bankrupt. It's a shame if that's the case. When you agree to do something, you should follow through.



Bye Bye---General Lee

In a casino you put your chips on the table before you get your cards.

In the Nicolau arbitration both sides had additional cards to play after Nic finished dealing. ALPA set it up that way. The West demanded that they have options written into the contract incase Nic wasn't fair in their eyes. As it turns out the options that the West demanded ended up helping the East when a majority of the East thought the Nic was not tolerable.

People go to court to get justice, and when they lose they whine about morality that everyone believes in, except of course the judge that sent them away empty handed.