AA and lights

[RJDC]

Is it true that AA and Eagle have been directed to not use nav lights during the day and to minimize the usage of other lights as much as possible?

 

[plucky]

Yup!?

 

[satpak77]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=67270

discussed in that thread

 

[aa73]

Yeah, that's a procedure we adopted from TWA. Course now we're gonna have a whole bunch of dark airplanes at night when we forget to turn em back on.

 

[75M]

You'll get used to it.

It still seems wasteful to me when we (at AirTran) leave them on all the time and leave the strobes (HI-INT) on during the day above FL 180.

Every little bit counts, I just wish we wouldn't wait until we're in trouble to adopt some of these procedures.

 

[AlbieF15]

A neat little trick we've been doing lately is shutting down #2 at cruise on the 727 to save a little extra gas. Once you are at cruise it really doesn't help you that much unless you climb into the mid 30s.

Who else has got some neat energy saving tricks?

 

[USNFDX]

A neat little trick we've been doing lately is shutting down #2 at cruise on the 727 to save a little extra gas. Once you are at cruise it really doesn't help you that much unless you climb into the mid 30s.

Who else has got some neat energy saving tricks?

Just one engine, I heard if you got a valsan, and your light, you can shutdown 2 engines.

 

[G4G5]

We stopped using JetA and switched to home heating oil. It tends to freeze at altitude so we just drift down, wait for it to warm up and start the process over again.

Of course we up grade to diesel for our over the water intl flts, we find the stuff from Hess tends to limit freezing until the mid 20's.

 

[EagleRJ]

Eagle has gotten an FAA waiver to run a 50/50 mix of Jet A and filtered fry oil from the airport food court. It's less than a tenth the price, and works great!

The company has been handing out passes to McDonald's employees to get them to push the french fries. We want to make sure we have a sufficient supply!

 

[G4G5]

The FBO's tend to get a little peeved when I stick 47 five gallon cans in their crew car and run over to the Hess station. What I have noticed is that they don't say anything on the first trip to the filling station, it typically takes until the 5th trip before the manager comes out. I found offering the manager a Hess truck stops him from taking a swing at me when I ask him to hold the funnel when we fuel over the wing. We asked our pax to try bring their own 5 gallon cans to off set the fuel cost but the boss's wife keeps bringing unleaded.

The next crew gets a little angry over the smell in the crew car, so we try to leave those fur tree air fresheners. Just trying to do the right thing.

I have not turned a light on since 9/11. We use the rechargeable Mag lites as ldg lites. Each captain is responsible to bring 2 flashlights with him. We use a little management tape (two faced) on the glare shield to hold them in place.

 

[75M]

We stopped using JetA and switched to home heating oil. It tends to freeze at altitude so we just drift down, wait for it to warm up and start the process over again.

Of course we up grade to diesel for our over the water intl flts, we find the stuff from Hess tends to limit freezing until the mid 20's.

LMAO!

 

[CoolHands]

The FBO's tend to get a little peeved when I stick 47 five gallon cans in their crew car and run over to the Hess station. What I have noticed is that they don't say anything on the first trip to the filling station, it typically takes until the 5th trip before the manager comes out. I found offering the manager a Hess truck stops him from taking a swing at me when I ask him to hold the funnel when we fuel over the wing. We asked our pax to try bring their own 5 gallon cans to off set the fuel cost but the boss wife keeps brining unleaded.

The next crew gets a little angry over the smell in the crew car, so we try to leave those fur tree air fresheners. Just trying to do the right thing.

I have not turned light on since 9/11. We use the rechargeable Mag lites as ldg lites. Each captain is responsible to bring 2 flashlights with him. We use a little managment tape (two faced) on the glare shield to hold them in place.

hahaha that's great!! I got tears in my eyes

 

[fokkerjet]

Another trick you can use is if you have two airplanes heading in the same direction, have the larger plane tow the smaller plane, and when within gliding distance of the destination airport of the smaller plane, cut it loose and have it glide down.......worked well in WWII on D-Day. Pick-ups are a little more sporting, but of course it can be done with a little forethought and planning.:beer:

 

[ironspud]

Yeah, that's a procedure we adopted from TWA. Course now we're gonna have a whole bunch of dark airplanes at night when we forget to turn em back on.

Really?

Don't remember that one.

Do remember those dreaded "No logo light" take off's though.

 

[aa73]

Really?

Don't remember that one.

Do remember those dreaded "No logo light" take off's though.

Ironspud - the TWA procedure was to turn off the nav lights during the day. I am not against it, it's just hard to remember to turn them on again at sunset.

 

[eagledoormat]

Complete procedure;
Nav Lights = Night
Landing Lights to 10,000 instead of 18,000
Strobes = Night only
Ice Lights = For ice/wing inspection only
Logo Lights = Pretend, you don't have any

They claim if we do all this we'll save thousands of gallons of fuel monthly!http://forums.flightinfo.com/images/icons/icon10.gif