A.T.I. Pilots vote down Mgmnt's "Final Offer"

[DC-8_FR8]

ummm yea you need to check your facts. At MickeyD's a manager averages around 30k/year and they have to work a lot more. 100k is plenty. Nice condo, good steak and lobster dinners, fine liquor. What else can one need. We are truly livin it up and don't have to work nearly as much. I know in fantasy land though pilots are the poorest people of them all. They make less than everyone out there poor things. :sarcasm:

Just proves how full of crud that you are. $100k aint ********************e in NY. Nice condo? You joke, your payments on a nice NYC condo would be more than you make. Have you even been to NY. Tool.

 

[Green]

D'Angelo,

I have been reading your posts and have to agree that being employed is better than unemployed. I guess some folks don't have a clue or haven't been dropped on their head yet. I have recently been offered a job with a regional, albeit most folks look down on us, and am exicited as all could be. Am I getting paid the big bucks? No, but I am flying a state of the art jet and building real time for down the road. I don't mind doing it for the pay they will give me and if(management) needed some payback I would be willing to give it. It is a small price to pay for the chance to fly around the country first class (Flying a JET BABY!!!) and get paid. I will admit I don't know anything about unions though but am more willing to trust managment. They are after all the ones that hired me.

The whole point is that your attitude of who cares what I make because I'm building time for "down the road" is a major drag on pilot compensation. That 'down the road' rarely comes. I imagine that you are just flamebaiting with that post and if you're not do us all a favor and find a new career. Wouldn't you like to be able to buy a decent home/car/support kids? If you are just now joining a regional then you will probably spend many years there before the posibility of moving on presents itself. Once the thrill of flying a shiny new jet wears off (and it will) you'll realize that your wages are going directly into the pockets of management and the flying public.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

D'Angelo and Instructordude are both Flamebaiters. 100K in NYC goes as far as you can throw a Lincoln Continental. Watching David Letterman does not count as having been to NYC. Liar. That is what you are. I also noticed that almost all of your post refer to pilots in the third person, funny you don't include yourself. That is because you are an Intern in some VP's office. You sit around answering phone calls and playing on FI.com trying to stir the masses. Get a grip, everyone on this board is wise to your pathetic life. You are a liar and the few that chime in to agree with you are probably an alter ego screen name that you are writting under. Loser + Liar = D'Angelo

 

[instructordude]

The whole point is that your attitude of who cares what I make because I'm building time for "down the road" is a major drag on pilot compensation. That 'down the road' rarely comes. I imagine that you are just flamebaiting with that post and if you're not do us all a favor and find a new career. Wouldn't you like to be able to buy a decent home/car/support kids? If you are just now joining a regional then you will probably spend many years there before the posibility of moving on presents itself. Once the thrill of flying a shiny new jet wears off (and it will) you'll realize that your wages are going directly into the pockets of management and the flying public.

I don't mind working my way up. It's all part of paying your dues. If traveling around the country in the front seat of a jet is paying my dues then I'm doing ok and am happy with it. I never said I didn't care what I make. I am happy with 18,000 a year now, knowing in 6-8 years it will at least be 60,000/year. With that kind of cash on hand I could upgrade from my current car, an Iroc and get into one of those new mustangs. By the way I can't wait to see the movie Talledega Nights. Should be funny as all be.

As far as a wife and kids, not for me right now but thanks for thinking. It will be in my cards down the road though. For right now though, I'm sitting sweeeeeeeeeeet!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

To all you Major's Board users, I see you have met Duh Angelo, appropriately referred to as the SKIDMARK in the underpants of the airline industry. Enjoy him, as most everyone on the Regional board has added him to their ignore list. Hence the reason why he has infected your threads now.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

As far as a wife and kids, not for me right now but thanks for thinking. It will be in my cards down the road though. For right now though, I'm sitting sweeeeeeeeeeet!

No kids? That is because you are 17 years old. Go play on your Microsoft Flight Sim and leave us alone. You are sad.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Just proves how full of crud that you are. $100k aint ********************e in NY. Nice condo? You joke, your payments on a nice NYC condo would be more than you make. Have you even been to NY. Tool.

Now now, don't feed the trolls.

 

[JP4user]

No kids? That is because you are 17 years old. Go play on your Microsoft Flight Sim and leave us alone. You are sad.

He doesn't have kids becasue he is a eunuch.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

He doesn't have kids becasue he is a eunuch.

He's a eunuch, He is definately a eunuch, That one is dead....

 

[D'Angelo]

Just proves how full of crud that you are. $100k aint ********************e in NY. Nice condo? You joke, your payments on a nice NYC condo would be more than you make. Have you even been to NY. Tool.

I never said I lived in midtown manhattan or anything like that. I live out in the bronx. yes you can afford a nice condo in NYC at 100k. The fact is most people that live in the NY area don't clear 100k. Yes theres lots of wall street execs, lawyers but once you get out of manhattan the average wage goes down. Its called saving your money, getting equity and putting a nice fat down payment on it. Pilots seem to be horrible with money. Granted im not living in a royal palace or anything however we are doing just fine. Why do you want all pilots to be living in poverty so bad? Why does everyone have to be poor just because the vocal minority things we are underpaid. Make the wife get a job and youll be fine in no time.

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo and Instructordude are both Flamebaiters. 100K in NYC goes as far as you can throw a Lincoln Continental. Watching David Letterman does not count as having been to NYC. Liar. That is what you are. I also noticed that almost all of your post refer to pilots in the third person, funny you don't include yourself. That is because you are an Intern in some VP's office. You sit around answering phone calls and playing on FI.com trying to stir the masses. Get a grip, everyone on this board is wise to your pathetic life. You are a liar and the few that chime in to agree with you are probably an alter ego screen name that you are writting under. Loser + Liar = D'Angelo

I know it just kills you Dwane to think that not everyone agrees with your propoganda. Sorry but there are plenty anti union people out there. Your house is crumbling and you can't even think of new ways to combat todays problems. I grew up in Long Island and it was my dream when they opened the JFK base at comair. Its good to be living in NY again. It will be exciting to see who takes the next paycut. Its fun watching all these airlines think for themselves and saving their jobs.

 

[PCL_128]

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[PBRstreetgang]

Nope, managements lackey...

Just because he likes his $hit pushed in!(defudgepacker that is)
PBR

 

[JP4user]

I'm not sure who the bigger fools are. Those that actually believe this tool is a line pilot or Mr. Management himself.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

I know it just kills you Dwane to think that not everyone agrees with your propoganda. Sorry but there are plenty anti union people out there. Your house is crumbling and you can't even think of new ways to combat todays problems. I grew up in Long Island and it was my dream when they opened the JFK base at comair. Its good to be living in NY again. It will be exciting to see who takes the next paycut. Its fun watching all these airlines think for themselves and saving their jobs.

You better believe I know that there are a lot of anti union guys and gals out there. But if you think Management has your best interest in mind, you're nuts. All airline executives are concerned with is bottom line cost. If they could get you to work for free, they would.

ALPA and every other union out there are fighting to protect their members. Getting fair and just contract is not easy, but it is possible. You might want a pay cut, but I doubt if you were really a pilot you would advocate pay cuts. Therefore I believe you are an intern or some form of management slim that comes here to stir the masses.

 

[pilotyip]

It is management's job to be concerned about costs. Without that concern there is no company and no jobs. From an article in ATW on an airline in Europe when the CEO was asked what is your secret to success. He answered fill as many seats as possible at the highest price possible and run the airline at the lowest cost possible. Some management is ruthless i.e. our buddy Fred L. and others are great leaders as well as managers like those at CAL and SWA.

 

[PCL_128]

It is management's job to be concerned about costs.

No, it's management's job to build a successful company over the long-term. Management in virtually every industry has lost sight of that. Now, management only cares about short-term share-price appreciation so they can take their huge bonuses and bail out. They make decisions that are poor in the long-term in order to satisfy the short-term share price appreciation goals. In the end, both the employees and the shareholders lose out in the long run.

Smart managers realize that happy employees=successful company. There aren't too many smart managers left nowadays.

 

[pilotyip]

Leadership!

PLC , you missed the leadership issue you are addressing, it is the function of management that seems to be missing many places.

 

[Devil Dawg]

Good luck to ATI. We have a big wage problem in this industry. Hopefully you guys can make some improvements.

 

[pilotyip]

We do not have a wage problem, we have a revenue problem. At companies rolling money the wages are great. At marginal companies that is not true.

 

[80for80]

We do not have a wage problem, we have a revenue problem. At companies rolling money the wages are great. At marginal companies that is not true.

USAJet.

 

[pilotyip]

80for80 is a wise man he figured it out all by himself.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

We do not have a wage problem, we have a revenue problem. At companies rolling money the wages are great. At marginal companies that is not true.

The problem is when the owners get greedy and start stepping over dollars to save pennies, that in turn becomes a revenue problem, thus the wage problems.