A Merry And SAFE Floptions Christmas

[Frac Cap]

I don't have any reliable source for the info. Just third hand info from someone who claims to be in the "know". It is just my personal belief that if HIG and Flops wants to signal a fresh start and show good will, a pay raise has to happen by the first of the year. Any other time would not make sense and it would show a sign of weakness due to union pressure having a negative impact to the company that they were trying to change. Additionally, I feel it would be extremely difficult to get quality pilots to take a job here for the lowest pay in the industry. If they don't stop the attrition, our training costs will go through the roof, and operationally we are going to suffer due to lack of crews. Just last week when the seniority list was updated, we lost 7 guys in 1 week. Stopping the attrition is going to have a tremendous affect on the bottom line, and a pay raise can easily help change this. Not acting on this potentially costly problem when it is in their power to do so, would in my opinion be operational negligence.

If a pay raise doesn't happen, it is just my feeling that HIG and Flops missed an opportunity for a fresh start and a chance to change our tarnished image and to get cooperation back due to new HIG ownership and no history of bad blood and broken promises.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[jetwash]

I can't see how they can come out now and give us a raise. Didn't BT use the excuse of negotiations as the reason they couldn't give us the supposed raise after the union vote.

I think it is just CGF BS.

Don't get me wrong, I would gladly accept any increase in pay that I should have been getting years ago.

 

[Frac Cap]

I'm not a labor law expert, but I thought only the time from the announcement of the vote and the completion of the vote any company is prohibited in increasing pay during that "laboratory period". Because a increase in pay can affect the votes. After that period I was under the assumption they could increase or decrease the pay an benefits providing there is "operational necessity". In other words, the company would be harmed in the marketplace if they didn't make the required changes. I think one can easily make a case we will be harmed in the market place trying to find, train and replace all our pilots that are leaving.

It is entirely possible the person that I hear the rumor from "a person in the know" could also be the same person that started the rumor that Swift was going to buy us. Who knows, but it kind of made sense. The fact is, I will believe it when my check says it.

 

[skanza]

non-management

Bull$hit. That's just a lame attempt at mitigating the fact that you were caught in your hypocrisy.

As for the spineless coward part; It is one thing if you're on the side of FLOPS management and take a stand. All of your posts are consistently gimpy and you make stupid arguments. I don't believe that you're part of a management effort to stake a presence of voice on this forum......if so, they should fire you because of your points have zero efficacy. Even though you have been proven wrong on a regular basis, you have repeatedly posted in favor of gross violations of FAR's. Your posts consistently suggest that you're just a simpleton ass kisser that refuses to take a stand for what is just. Hence, spineless coward.

Be true to your profession or get out.

Nice one. But there we go with needless name calling. Anyways, my "stupid" arguments are just points that I bring up people here don't address directly. I have to say again that I don't condone illegal operations, but it's like the union-folks try extra hard to "make an airplane safe to fly" (e.g. look for write-ups) for the purpose of stalling the operation just to make your point, instead of just a genuine concern for safety. See how childish that is? No one has answered that point directly because as soon as there is a post from that skanza-b!tch, it must be nonsense be cause she doesn't support the union. Therefore you don't read and consider the content. You should be true to yourself...
And again, I was aware of the name calling deal, and its not hipocrisy. If I were caught doing that, I would acknowledge it out of self respect.

So, why do pro-unioners create and promote "how to break a FLOPS (airframe here)" posts? Anyone?

 

[skanza]

Better yet, you ought to hope I don't find out who you really are.quote]

A threat? That's fine, then I'll know who you are. PM me.

I am also burdened with worries such as not being able to afford dental insurance next year, or how to pay my kids school lunches.

Maybe you should modify your living standards to match a pilot's salary. Just a suggestion. Remember, just because you fly rich people around, doesn't mean you are entilted to live like them. We're all bus drivers, just different size and speed busses.

Thats right let management and fools like you right burn it to the freekin ground, but wait there are so many people other than my greedy self that will lose their jobs too.

I'm sorry you have that "If I can't have it, no one can!" attitude. But it's pretty low to actively harm people you don't even know because of your problem. Were those other offers more money?, if so that would have been great for you-you get more money, FLOPS people=unharmed. Good luck.

 

[dime line]

Maybe you should modify your living standards to match a pilot's salary. Just a suggestion. Remember, just because you fly rich people around, doesn't mean you are entilted to live like them. We're all bus drivers, just different size and speed busses.

You can't be a pilot. You have to be management (or F&H). Ya have to be

 

[fischman]

I have to say again that I don't condone illegal operations, but it's like the union-folks try extra hard to "make an airplane safe to fly" (e.g. look for write-ups)

This statement is a contradiction.

Every pilot of every aircraft should be looking "extra hard" for write ups. If you are not doing so, you are a danger to yourself and your crew. Shame on you for not trying your hardest.

I applaud the "union folks" in doing so, and encourage you to do the same. I wonder if the FAA feels the same way I do?

I suggest you rethink your stance on this.

 

[Frac Cap]

Better yet, you ought to hope I don't find out who you really are.quote]

A threat? That's fine, then I'll know who you are. PM me..

Please, can't we all just play nice. We are all in this thing together, well I at least most of us I think. We all have different point of views, and each should be respected, even if some are out in left field as a minority. It is a point of view, and should be debated and discussed maturely. When we get angry and start threatening each other, our point of view and message looses credibility as a mature debate.

Just my 1 cent (I still work at Flops, can't afford 2).

 

[skanza]

Please, can't we all just play nice. We are all in this thing together, well I at least most of us I think. We all have different point of views, and each should be respected, even if some are out in left field as a minority. It is a point of view, and should be debated and discussed maturely. When we get angry and start threatening each other, our point of view and message looses credibility as a mature debate.

Just my 1 cent (I still work at Flops, can't afford 2).

Very well put! I agree totally and hope that discussions do stay mature and open-minded to what others have to say. Thank you, sir (or 'mam).

 

[Frac Cap]

I am glad to help, and pleased you are receptive to an open minded forum. Thank YOU sir or madam.

Happy Holidays to everyone......and yes even to management. (it is the time for forgiveness, and miracles, ......so how about that pay raise?)