A little fast on final??

[klhoard]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/948352.asp?vts=8520031218

 

[banned username 2]

500 Mph on final, yeah I'd say she is a TAD too fast...

 

[pa56pa]

the only father-daughter crew..?? What about F. Sorenson and K. Sorenson? I recall them to still be at SWA last I've heard...

Hey Mike, you go!!

 

[Cardinal]

Aint there a Lewis father-daughter team at SWA also?

 

[pa56pa]

Aint there a Lewis father-daughter team at SWA also?

That's what the original posting was about... they do work for SWA...

 

[Cardinal]

Yup, that's what I get for posting first and reading second. I also have a problem with that whole "measure twice, cut once" concept.

 

[Counselair]

Final above 10k?

It's been a while since I flew out of St. Louis but are they flying finals above 10K now or does SWA fly 500mph in the pattern below 10K? Not flaming on SW, just admiring yet another inconsistancy in the press.

Counselair

 

[trainerjet]

Why does everyone assume they were "on final"? All the article says was that she "pulled the nose down and aimed for STL". They could have been anywhere in the descent. 100 miles out. Who knows? I'm pretty sure they weren't "on final".

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Unless you are talking TAS, no 737 goes 500 kts (at any altitude). Undoubtedly, just another example of the media screwing up some facts in an aviation related story.

 

[DCitrus9]

Unless you're below 10,000 feet or on final, there's no such thing as too fast! I doubt they would incriminate themselves about going 500 below 10. I say it's just typical media BS.

 

[General Lee]

Maybe that was really their taxi speed?

 

[banned username 2]

Why does everyone assume they were "on final"? All the article says was that she "pulled the nose down and aimed for STL". They could have been anywhere in the descent. 100 miles out. Who knows? I'm pretty sure they weren't "on final".

Well when except below 10k are you "too fast for this late in the flight" where he was ready to grab the plane from her?

 

[Spooky Magnum]

Cows...

I thought when you "Pull the nose..." The COWS get SMALLER..... Oh well, back to flight school again.....

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

Hmmm..

Lets see here...Pull the nose down..How do you do that?

A 737 doing 500 anything except maybe at very high altitude..Nah

I know Captain Lewis as well as his daughter..Nicole was in my new hire class here at SWA..

Both are first class and highly regarded people here..

The story is full of mis-quotes and bull$hit and NOT to be taken seriously in any way..

About the only thing they got right was the fact that they do in fact work here...

Mike

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

Well when except below 10k are you "too fast for this late in the flight" where he was ready to grab the plane from her?

As you may already see I dont think much of the article..

However..
There are several ways you can be too fast and too high in relation to "our" profile and still be a long way away from the airport..

At SWA, we as much as possible, fly a very specific profile that at times would be easy to be high and fast on and not be a problem later in the descent..

From what ive read of the article..I wasnt under the impression that Cpt Lewis was about to take away the aircraft..Just debating to himself over what the value or timing of his input might have to a fellow crewmember..

We all have been in the position of what i call the three toos..

Too dam# close.
Too dam# fast.
Too dam# high.

If you havnt been there then you havnt been doing this long enough to weigh in on this issue or you are full of cr@p..

The ONLY reason it was even considered to be a big deal was to be eye catching filler for what could have otherwise been a nice...but boring..article about two really cool people..

Mike

 

[GREAT LAKES]

Cows get smaller

No spooky that is where you are wrong. It's the buildings not the cow's.

 

[Goose17]

I'm just happy they had their clothes on.

Goose17

 

[SWA/FO]

Mike Lewis is a class act! My first month at SWA was with him. He is a great guy.

 

[SWA GUY]

Guys.....

The article was written by the Washington Post, that alone should say it all. Typical liberal rag with no real reporting or investigation of facts.


What do ya'll think?

 

[Smoove Ride]

interesting article, but i got two questions other than the "500MPH on final" deal...

1. since when could you upgrade at 22?

2. since when did Lakes start flying 737's? i think the author meant to say "she worked extra hours and skipped vacations so that she could build time and apply to SWA".

those wacky media folks!

 

[CU@OSHKOSH]

push/pull

It's easy to pull the nose down.....once you roll inverted!

 

[crosscut]

...At SWA, we as much as possible, fly a very specific profile that at times would be easy to be high and fast on and not be a problem later in the descent.....


...We all have been in the position of what i call the three toos..

Too dam# close.
Too dam# fast.
Too dam# high.

Mike

Burbank, anyone?

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

And im sure you have a point..

But..Judging by your profile.. perhaps not..

Mike

 

[crosscut]

And im sure you have a point..

But..Judging by your profile.. perhaps not..

Mike

Profile? I'll give you my profile: 7,000 + hour Airtran Airways DC9 Capt. (which, btw, is of zero importance hence no profile) NOW is my argument worth more than if it was submitted by a ump-hundred chicken hawk wonder pile-it? Here is you true color, wing abortion: when you had no effective counterargument - you resorted to a personal. Please don't go giving fine Southwest pilot group a bad name questioning one's profile.

P.S. Nice to observe YOU change YOUR profile from "furloughed" position to "Southwest FO" thinking I'd lower myself to your level.

 

[ivauir]

you resorted to a personal

And what you did, both initially and in your most recent post was an intelligent well thought out argument? Interesting: "Burbank, anyone" is an "argument"? Wow, you must have been president of the debate team!

Yes Burbank is a black eye for us. But our safety record on whole speaks for itself. And yes, your profile is relevant: perhaps, if you had something insightful to offer, (as could be expected from a mature DC9 Captain) we might listen.

But a person of unknown qualifications posting nothing more than a place name and a pronoun (how do you counter argue a place name?) is an invitation to flame. In fact even knowing your qualifications your post is still nothing more than sniping from the hedgerows. At best it is an ignorant, feeble attempt at humor. At worst it is a vile and hurtful attack on my livelihood. In any case it is unhelpful, unnecessary and absolutely unwelcome.

Mike has contributed to this board both information and well thought out opinion. You could do much worse than "lower" yourself to his level. Please don't go giving the fine Airtran Airways pilot group a bad name baiting and then attacking anymore.


PS my profile reflects my qualifications when hired - not current, because I think it might be helpful to those still in the hunt.

 

[crosscut]

And what you did, both initially and in your most recent post was an intelligent well thought out argument? ....

As was Mike’s original shot at trying to defend being fast (and on profile). “Burbank, anyone” MAY HAVE WELL been a jab (bait) at Mike’s (self-serving) overconfident, “high & fast…no problem later in the descent,” while, “if you haven’t been there then you haven’t been doing this long enough to weigh in & full of crap” (very) modest (NOT) comments, none of which are either “helpful, necessary, or absolutely welcome.” I understand your position defending a bro, & your partisanship (to your employer & coworker) is also well understood. However, this lack of objectivity is what makes your post as immaterial & “ignorant” as Mike’s cheap shot to degrade my post (however unintelligent it may have been) BASED ON MY CREDENTIALS. I never questioned his vast contribution to this board (& if the former Midway, now Airtran, pilots are any indication of the rest of the Midway gang, then I’ll have the utmost respect for him, too), just his recent post. And if you’re so blind / quick on the buttons so as to indiscriminately start defending your bud in a form of more personal attacks, then you’ve done nothing more than “lowered” yourself thereby giving the rest of the fine Southwest pilot group a bad name.

P.S. Your profile is of as much significance to me as is my own when it comes to this board, unlike Mike.

 

[MLBWINGBORN]

Crosscut..

My post was in responce to what at best is a poorly written article and some of the responces to it..

I thought it was well worded and to the point about some of the comments about the misinformation contained in the article..

For some reason you have taken the tack of posting a two word responce that amounted to nothing more than flame bait..

If your post was nothing more then flame bait followed by an personal attack when i questioned your motives then we have nothing further to discuss..

If you wish to discuss anything about Burbank,SWA or the merits of the press feel free..

So..I will reword my question..

Do you have a point or perhapes a question about either Burbank or the merits of my post?

If not..then move on because I wont play your silly little game..

Mike

 

[klhoard]

Cease Fire!!

Gentlemen,

I never meant my initial post to end up in personal attacks. I was only trying to point out what some dumb reporter wrote in hopes that everyone would find some humor in it.

Lighten up, Francis!!!

 

[Goose17]

Ok, I'll ask...

What happened in Burbank? Were THEY wearing clothes?

Goose17

 

[crosscut]

Crosscut..

My post was in responce to what at best is a poorly written article and some of the responces to it..

I thought it was well worded and to the point about some of the comments about the misinformation contained in the article..

For some reason you have taken the tack of posting a two word responce that amounted to nothing more than flame bait..

If your post was nothing more then flame bait followed by an personal attack when i questioned your motives then we have nothing further to discuss..

If you wish to discuss anything about Burbank,SWA or the merits of the press feel free..

So..I will reword my question..

Do you have a point or perhapes a question about either Burbank or the merits of my post?

If not..then move on because I wont play your silly little game..

Mike

Oh, you’re making sound too complicated here Mike, “questioned your motives?” by “judging by your profile…perhaps not?” Oh, no – that wasn’t a personal attack at all, p-l-e-a-s-e, allow me “to move on and take my silly little game elsewhere.”

P.S. oh, btw, slow it down on finals, would you?