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fowingman

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what's the t.a look like ? any info yet? i've read so much junk on here but no solid info on what's actually in the t.o
 

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But all of the idiots over there will be falling all over each other, blinded by a signing bonus and vote it in...just like they did at ASA. Shameful really...
 

dondk

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at best borderline average for a company that demands nothing less than the
best.

slap in the face? only if the pilots vote YES. The pilots have the choice to be slapped or not.
 

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The signing bonus distribution, which was decided by mainly senior captains in the MEC, is mainly a benefit for the senior guys. It will be based off W2's, so a reserve or CDO FO making $18k versus an ATL CA or checkairman making $80k will have their bonus divided accordingly.
 

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I don't think many want to vote yes for this, but there is a fear that if not, then the lack of scope will really bite us. In other words, the Mesa Freedom angle is alive and well. That more than anything will be responsible if this passes.
 

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But all of the idiots over there will be falling all over each other, blinded by a signing bonus and vote it in...just like they did at ASA. Shameful really...

At ASA? I thought we did pretty good. Aren't we at or near the top of the regional scale on most sections? I for one have more days off, a commuter clause, make more money than I did under the old contract, a better match to my 401k, 100% DH pay, and got a pretty good signing bonus! Not to mention the other imrovements to the scheduling section.

Pretty good if you ask me.
 
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asayankee

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At ASA? I thought we did pretty good. Aren't we at or near the top of the regional scale on most sections? I for one have more days off, a commuter clause, make more money than I did under the old contract, a better match to my 401k, 100% DH pay, and got a pretty good signing bonus! Not to mention the other imrovements to the scheduling section.

Pretty good if you ask me.

While I agree with you we got a lot of improvements, there are many glaring holes in our current contract. The reserve section has been an absolute mess..
 

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While I agree with you we got a lot of improvements, there are many glaring holes in our current contract. The reserve section has been an absolute mess..

It is a mess, but is far better than that which came before it.
 

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While I agree with you we got a lot of improvements, there are many glaring holes in our current contract. The reserve section has been an absolute mess..


An absolute mess? No, not really. I'm guessing you weren't here before, under the old contract and the absolute mess that that was.
 

dondk

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An absolute mess? No, not really. I'm guessing you weren't here before, under the old contract and the absolute mess that that was.

what reserve section in the old contract? you mean the handful of words that basically states you are CS beotch 24/7/365.

the new language is an improvement, now you are their beotch only 20-21 days a month (can't go below min days off)
 

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Like ASA, you treat them like crap for so long, then when a POS carrot is hung infront of their face, they're willing to sign for it. ALPA is doing their fear tatics of "Sign it or it could be worse" just like they did the Comair guys.
 

asayankee

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An absolute mess? No, not really. I'm guessing you weren't here before, under the old contract and the absolute mess that that was.

Yes I was here under the old contract with the old reserve "rules" and in many ways the new contract is better, but also worse. In typical ASA fashion, one set of abuses has been traded for another. We close one set of loopholes and they simply open others. Business as usual unfortunately. The companies refusal to work with us on the red-arrow debacle simply indicates that the Brad Holt "honeymoon" is over.
 

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Inflation adjusted all capt. pay is a pay cut, as is almost all FO pay.
 

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The companies refusal to work with us on the red-arrow debacle simply indicates that the Brad Holt "honeymoon" is over.

Oh really? You mean like how the union has worked with the company on PBS? Every single cent PBS would have the company, ALPA demanded it and a significant amount more in concessions. It seems more to me that ALPA wants to flex its muscle and the company shoved back.
 
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