9E, 9L, XJ JCBA Deadline Extension

[Flyprdu]

Don't forget about the big tax increase (less take home pay) coming Jan1, thanks to ALPO's man in the white house.
Bottom tax rate from 10% to 15% a 50% increase on most FO's. Thanks ALPO.

Shut up, dipsh*t.

 

[Mel Sharples]

Don't forget about the big tax increase (less take home pay) coming Jan1, thanks to ALPO's man in the white house.
Bottom tax rate from 10% to 15% a 50% increase on most FO's. Thanks ALPO.

Wow... that does suck.

Is your mom going to have to get a second job to be able to afford treatments at the STD clinic? How will she afford her anti-biotics? At least she can probably get a free razor at the homeless shelter.

 

[bri5150]

I would hope you vote based on what the pilots you represent want, and not what you personally want. I would not want my reps to vote for a contract that has a NET pay cut either, but I will also look at the contract as a whole before I judge one section as a NET pay cut.

The block or better per leg will add about 3-4 hours credit per month.
The min day will add about 3-4 hours credit per month.
The leg guarantee will protect any loss in credit from a cancellation (never had it, so I won't guess at hrs saved).
The 75% DH pay will add credit to our current pay.
Etc., Etc., Etc.

Overall a $75-$100 increase in medical sounds as a pay cut, but when you look at all the other advances (a lot better than the TA), it's not a pay cut at all. And for the 9L and XJ guys, it's actually a savings.

Not to mention that those rules will affect all pilots in the company (maybe not high speeders which are going away anyways), as opposed to the medical insurance which only affects those that opt in.

 

[bri5150]

Don't forget about the big tax increase (less take home pay) coming Jan1, thanks to ALPO's man in the white house.
Bottom tax rate from 10% to 15% a 50% increase on most FO's. Thanks ALPO.

So you want higher medical coverage payment because that is tax deductable right?

 

[SEVEN]

This worthless thread has officially derailed.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

This worthless thread has officially derailed.

Come on SEVEN, its flight info, what did you expect??

 

[Smarta$$]

Don't forget about the big tax increase (less take home pay) coming Jan1, thanks to ALPO's man in the white house.
Bottom tax rate from 10% to 15% a 50% increase on most FO's. Thanks ALPO.

Actually toolbox, the President has said hundreds of times that he wants permanent tax cuts for 98% (thats you and me) to be extended permanently. If they don't get extended, it will be because Republicans are demanding tax cuts for the wealthy or they will filibuster it. So, your tax cuts are being held hostage for the rich.

But hey, if you want to give 700 billion dollars to rich people when we have a national debt crisis, I am glad you are not in congress.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Actually toolbox, the President has said hundreds of times that he wants permanent tax cuts for 98% (thats you and me) to be extended permanently. If they don't get extended, it will be because Republicans are demanding tax cuts for the wealthy or they will filibuster it. So, your tax cuts are being held hostage for the rich.

But hey, if you want to give 700 billion dollars to rich people when we have a national debt crisis, I am glad you are not in congress.

How about the government (like the rest of us have to when income drops) cut SPENDING. The crap the government wastes money on is staggering. Any doubt just count how many TSA it takes to run one single line next time you are at the airport. Pork at it's finest.

 

[higney85]

In an attempt to get the thread back on track...

Insurance is near and dear to pinnacle pilots and should be for all pilots. It isnt simply costs, it's how and when you pay costs. Think about what insurance is- it's supposed to be for the "what if" in life. I don't know a single person that ever wants to have to use insurance beyond preventive care. When a life event or medical crisis happens a financial punch is a big hit. Monthly premiums are factored in every paycheck, but when something uplanned happens high costs at a time when you can't simply "pick up a trip" is a hard pill to swallow. There is enough stress when you are at the doctor and something is wrong with yourself or a loved one. Premiums can be swallowed and planned for, potential high costs cannot be forecasted. When you went to the doctor last, did you plan on that illness ahead of time? There is substantial "pillow factor" knowing you have insurance fora sickness, just as most of us have insurance to cover us financially if we can't work.

 

[CptMurf]

That's why there's a maximum out of pocket. 9Es medical has cheaper premiums, and I agree it is better than XJs, but your max out of pocket for a family is $3400. At XJ the max out of pocket is $2850 for a family. So in this one (and only one) area, XJs current plan is slightly better.

 

[higney85]

That's why there's a maximum out of pocket. 9Es medical has cheaper premiums, and I agree it is better than XJs, but your max out of pocket for a family is $3400. At XJ the max out of pocket is $2850 for a family. So in this one (and only one) area, XJs current plan is slightly better.

Maybe so, annual deductibles of $150/$350 and most costs at 10% makes hitting the $1700/$3400 mark a really bad year. $10 Copays and $5/$10 prescription costs are what most trips to the doc cost.

 

[CptMurf]

I agree. 9Es is much, much better. And overall, without a major problem you will spend less. How much depends on how much you use the benefit. I don't know how to budget that in, so as I look a med package I look at premiums, deductibles, and max out of pocket. I don't know all the details of how they will break down the 25% cost that was discussed. But since XJ currently is at 33%, it could only be better than what we have now. (Based on family)
80/20
$360/month
$20 copay
$10 generic
$1000 deductible
$2850 max out of pocket

Change what you like to lose the 8%, then try to put a dollar value on it to calculate negotiation capital. Then balance that with contract gains. Is it worth it? Maybe not for 9E, but for 9L/XJ it is a contractual savings.

 

[e=mc2]

To bad that spit for brains never took a basic economics class at Redneck U, otherwise he would now better. Keep drinking the Kool Aid the government will provide you all the food stamps you need.

 

[Kaman]

If my take home pay is reduced because of any changes in insurance benefits cancelling out a pay-raise...NO WAY will I vote for it. A lot of people at 9L are waiting for Mesaba's contract to be our "salvation" should negotiations fail. If management had any real motivation to get this deal done fairly, it would have been a done deal already. I am also not buying the BS about needing a ratified TA to "move forward" as an airline. We are ALREADY the cheapest game in town for crying out loud!

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

P.S. rumor has it that Q400 lines are painted at A1/A2 in IAD...

 

[CptMurf]

There is NO WAY a 9E or 9L pilot would lose take home pay, whether this increase in insurance survives or not. There are TOO many gains in the wrapped up sections of the proposed contract to negate any loss. And they still have to deal with big sections like pay. From what a negotiator told me, if this wraps quickly and somewhat near ALPAs proposal 9L won the lottery, 9E is looking a significant gains, even over the TA and XJ gets some fixes to holes in our contract.

 

[Flyer1015]

The only one good thing about our current CBA, which will still be the case after Dec 2 at 5pm because we won't get a JCBA, is the insurance. Next year, costs will skyrocket, but Pinnacle can only increase our monthly family cost from $150/month to $155/month in May 2011. Everything else, the $10 copays, the $5 prescrip, the deductibles for us, all remain the same. Let those management a-holes deal with the insurance cost increase!

 

[i fly boxes]

This contract was signed in 1999. Since that day, september 11th, the columbia space shuttle tragedy, captain sulley, The war on terror, 3 winter olympics, 2 summer olympics, the tsunami, hurricane katrina, the recession, 3 presidents, the major league baseball steriods scandal, the swine flu, 3 world cups, anthrax scare, and countless other things have happened and this managements pilot group still has pilots flying on 1999 wages. Keep picking up that open time you senior low lifes!

 

[kellwolf]

To bad that spit for brains never took a basic economics class at Redneck U, otherwise he would now better. Keep drinking the Kool Aid the government will provide you all the food stamps you need.

Apparently, basic grammar wasn't taught either....