9E, 9L, & XJ integration

[CptMurf]

Instead of pronouncing how one group is better than another. Or how one group is going to screw another in integration. Or the company is going to route your contract and liquidate you.

Let's come up with good ways to integrate the 3 lists. SLI should be our mantra. We want to take the good of ALL contracts and make it ours. One combined list, with opportunities for all. Let's show ALPA how it should have been done in the beginning.

This is actually an opportunity. Let's unify and use it.

How about some good ideas in merging the lists.

 

[CptMurf]

Oh yeah, I forgot... This is FlightInfo.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I could come up with reasonable ideas for just us and Pinnacle or just us and Colgan but throwing all three together at once will royally screw one group no matter what I come up with so far.... then factor in trying to keep the flow grandfathered for those elligible June 30th makes it even more of a cluster.

 

[Raskal]

Oh yeah, I forgot... This is FlightInfo.

You really should know better by now murf :beer:

 

[xjhawk]

yeah its a tough nut to crack. Date of hire screws Colgan and upsets the senior FO's at mesaba. While Intergration creates a windfall for the colgan pilots. Not sure how it will go but we need to do whats best for everyone and not give too much to one group-bottom line most everyone will not be happy-Heck we will not even get the best of all contracts and a substantial raise like the Delta/NWA list intergration

 

[Flyer1015]

Staple. The red stapler from Office Space will be perfect.

 

[Top Gum]

Great idea, but regardless of what you come up with it’s not your decision. The man makes the decision. Yes, that sucks but it’s his money and his people will integrate us as best suited for the company, not the pilots or anyone else.

Our union is swimming in glue right now so I wouldn’t bank on anything other than a magazine from them anytime soon.

 

[LearLove]

Date of Hire

 

[RJLoser]

Sounds like mgt wants 2 separate companies/lists. I guarantee they will do what is cheapest.

 

[Tarzan]

Oh yeah, I forgot... This is FlightInfo.

Good read on list integration.

Check it

 

[1.3XVso]

good read on list integration.

check it

dam it!

 

[redflyer65]

Phil and Co. will try to pull the XJ jets to Pinnacle without the pilots, and send them to NewCo (read the New Mesaba/Colgan). They want the planes and NOT the XJ contract.

This is where they might be headed.

 

[SEVEN]

Pilots come with the planes....like or not.
Relative Seniority/1 list/Fences.

 

[Flyer1015]

Pilots come with the planes....like or not.
Relative Seniority/1 list/Fences.

"Like it or not"

LOL! What part of your scope clause prevents an asset transfer? And what makes you think your union can dictate asset transfer to 9E management? ALPA merger policy will apply. But only to the airlines that are actually merging: Mesaban and Colgan.

Someone save this quote of mine. Come back to it 1-2 years from now. All Mesaba CRJs come to Pinnacle without the Mesaba pilots. Any XJ pilot that comes ends up coming to 9E will be a furloughed Mesaba pilot, as a newhire to Pinnacle. Mesaba merges with Colgan, all the turboprops, Colgan name disappears, ALPA merger policy applies, and a SLI is agreed upon. But bottom line is Pinnacle will operate all the CRJs with an asset transfer, therefore planes will come but no pilots. This post will be saved, and we will revisit this 1-2 years from now.

 

[SEVEN]

"Like it or not"

LOL! What part of your scope clause prevents an asset transfer? And what makes you think your union can dictate asset transfer to 9E management? ALPA merger policy will apply. But only to the airlines that are actually merging: Mesaban and Colgan.

Someone save this quote of mine. Come back to it 1-2 years from now. All Mesaba CRJs come to Pinnacle without the Mesaba pilots. Any XJ pilot that comes ends up coming to 9E will be a furloughed Mesaba pilot, as a newhire to Pinnacle. Mesaba merges with Colgan, all the turboprops, Colgan name disappears, ALPA merger policy applies, and a SLI is agreed upon. But bottom line is Pinnacle will operate all the CRJs with an asset transfer, therefore planes will come but no pilots. This post will be saved, and we will revisit this 1-2 years from now.

This is WAY too premature for you to be thinking of a slam dunk for 9E. Highly unlikely that almost 500 pilots will be put on the street as 9E takes all of Mesaba's 900's and 200's. That's a far stretch. I hope your wrong. But from the sounds of many 9E'ers...this is what they want.

 

[Top Gum]

[FONT=&quot]I’m told that interviews start next week for the furloughed. They will bottom the 9e list, if hired. What a deal huh?[/FONT]

 

[i fly boxes]

This is WAY too premature for you to be thinking of a slam dunk for 9E. Highly unlikely that almost 500 pilots will be put on the street as 9E takes all of Mesaba's 900's and 200's. That's a far stretch. I hope your wrong. But from the sounds of many 9E'ers...this is what they want.

Its not want we want 7, just remember that this flight info website represents about 20 pinnacle pilots. There is no way anything like that will happen. Why hire and train new pilots when you have CRJ pilots already flying the aircraft. If there is one thing pinnacle knows, its how to operate cheap.

 

[1.3XVso]

This is WAY too premature for you to be thinking of a slam dunk for 9E. Highly unlikely that almost 500 pilots will be put on the street as 9E takes all of Mesaba's 900's and 200's. That's a far stretch. I hope your wrong. But from the sounds of many 9E'ers...this is what they want.

Not true seven dust. I really want you guys over on the 9E side to stir this place the way it should be. I want nothing but the best for all involved. We got some hot heads that turn to mice when confronted.

I dont have faith in our union anymore. I do have faith in the mesaba MEC/ Pilot group. Its sad but true.

 

[CptMurf]

I get the feeling 9E pilots are out to get us more than 9E management.

 

[SEVEN]

I get the feeling 9E pilots are out to get us more than 9E management.

Me too. It's a good thing the pay to fly crowd over there aren't running the show. But like another poster stated......this forum represents only a few of the entire pilot group at all 3 airlines. Probably not a good representation of reality.