9/11 pilots for truth?

[Wesb737fo]

I don't discount eye witness accounts. That's the job of the NTSB (TWA 800).

I said Tower 7 was suspicious, not a conspiracy.

I have not seen a good photo of the damage from a fuel laden 757 wing hitting the Pentagon (but haven't done a lot of looking either). If you have it, please share.

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Ok Jackwagon.... some remains and effects of the people I knew were found in the crash site. Is that enough for you. Morons...

 

[JFReservist]

Wow... If this comes off as rude, I apologize in advance, but wow...

I can't believe some of the things I've heard over the past ten years about 9/11, but to hear this garbage repeated by trained professionals... wow. Some of you guys talk about metallurgy and structural engineering like they are the black arts... Please tell me you understand the difference between basic construction of a tall building v. a short squat building made of completely different materials... Go buy an erector set and a pallet of bricks, make some pretty shapes, tape wings on a bottle rocket and perform some good old fashioned science. I have no doubt my seven year old could grasp the concept.

Oh, and if you are wondering why pictures are missing frames... Really? Ever heard of frame rate per second? Most security cameras shoot footage at a very low fps due to storage restrictions... I know, I know - more black magic.

Tens of thousands of eye-witnesses, in both cities. Live TV. The utter panic and collapse of communications in the ARTCC's, NORAD and NORTHCOM (to name a few). Etc, etc.

I believe that there are conspiracies; international banking, the fed, aliens and George Lucas ever having conceived Star Wars, but the US orchestration of 9/11 ?!?

 

[waveflyer]

It's pretty silly to go in this direction- with what the average American thinks of our elected leaders- I get the impulse to go here, but it's really dumb.

What can't be denied is that well before Rahm Emmanuel coined the term, our elected leaders at the time 9/11 occurred certainly didn't let that tragedy pass without using it to their full advantage. The smallest of these was to gut "overpaid" airline union contracts. The largest was to justify Iraq, compounded by debt financing.

Whether an evil plot or just dumb, it's a shame we played so much into it that we find ourselves so much weaker 10 years later. The terrorists wanted to strike at our economic foundation- and look at the financially devastating choices we made since. We HELPED them achieve their objective.

9/11 conspiracies are such a waste of bandwidth, when what is undeniable is still so worthy of reproach. Our own dumb, emotional reactions have done the most damage to our nation.

 

[lookin4better]

It's pretty silly to go in this direction- with what the average American thinks of our elected leaders- I get the impulse to go here, but it's really dumb.

What can't be denied is that well before Rahm Emmanuel coined the term, our elected leaders at the time 9/11 occurred certainly didn't let that tragedy pass without using it to their full advantage. The smallest of these was to gut "overpaid" airline union contracts. The largest was to justify Iraq, compounded by debt financing.

Whether an evil plot or just dumb, it's a shame we played so much into it that we find ourselves so much weaker 10 years later. The terrorists wanted to strike at our economic foundation- and look at the financially devastating choices we made since. We HELPED them achieve their objective.

9/11 conspiracies are such a waste of bandwidth, when what is undeniable is still so worthy of reproach. Our own dumb, emotional reactions have done the most damage to our nation.

I may have become smarter reading this! Great post!!

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Ok Jackwagon.... some remains and effects of the people I knew were found in the crash site. Is that enough for you. Morons...

Ok jackwagon, I never stated that the Pentagon wasn't hit by a 757. What I said is that I have not seen a photograph showing the impact of the wings. Again, if you have a photograph or a link I would like to see it. Trust but verify. Understand?

In summary, the Tower 7 collapse is suspicious as there was no direct impact and there has never been a structural collapse of a steel building due to fire alone. Add in the fact that it came down in an identical fashion as a controlled demolition and you can see why some engineers are asking legitimate questions in an attempt to understand what happened (and to possibly prevent it from ever happening again).

On the Pentagon, all I need is a picture. Do I think it was hit by an airplane? Sure I do. But my thoughts don't mean Dick. I need a pic. Savvy?

I know it is hard to follow junior, but if you can't keep up I'm sure there is a good hat conversation going on in the regionals section.

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[Downwind]

Oh, and if you are wondering why pictures are missing frames... Really? Ever heard of frame rate per second? Most security cameras shoot footage at a very low fps due to storage restrictions... I know, I know - more black magic.

Tens of thousands of eye-witnesses, in both cities. Live TV. The utter panic and collapse of communications in the ARTCC's, NORAD and NORTHCOM (to name a few). Etc, etc.

Perhaps the statement was in regards to missing footage, not individual frames. It was well publicized that in the immediate aftermath (literally minutes) of the Pentagon attack that a convenience store (NEX station on the west side of the clover at 244&27) security tape (showing the impact) was confiscated and has never been released. Why is that?

Ten years later and I can't see why anything such as this is being left out of the public domain. But, I can't understand why clergy and firemen were excluded from the recent memorial service or why our POTUS will call TEA party members "terrorists" but won't call actual murdering terrorists "terrorists".

 

[Wesb737fo]

I have no idea what your argument is. You say that a plane hit the building but you need a picture to be sure. I tell you that remains and effects of people (that I know were on American 77) were found at the Pentagon. How did they get there genius? You are so smart, tell us your theory. I can't believe they let you fly an airplane. You are the biggest idiot to ever post on flight info. I think your hat is shoved so far up that you are unable to think logically. I will not argue any further. Your ideas are so flawed I don't know how to help you..junior ...retard.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

DAS

If you actually think there should be wing marks on the side of the Pentagon like those visible on the WTC Tower and can't understand the difference, you're dumber than I thought. If you hold a medical certificate and a drivers license, please turn them in to the original issuer.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

There is a lot more to be exposed from this footage than to just satisfy these ridiculous claims, like the structural makeup of one of the most strategically important buildings in the US. For those who believe that everything should be presented to the public domain, I couldn't disagree more, these footage shouldn't be shown just to satisfy a couple of nut job conspiracy theorist, after all there are people that still believe that the lunar landing was staged. This was a decision the Bush administration took and has been upheld by this administration and I for one think is the right move.

 

[inline]

The Navy Seals got the wrong guy! For years all the leftwing nut jobs have told us that Bush and Cheney orchestrated the 9/11 terror attack.

 

[blueridge71]

There are no wing marks on the Pentagon because AA 77 hit the ground just short of the building from what I've heard. A picture of the crash site on 9/11 shows identifiable wreckage that is plainly visible: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flight_77_wreckage_at_Pentagon.jpg

I've been investigating a lot of the truther claims on my blog.
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-atlanta/the-truth-about-the-september-11-attacks
http://www.examiner.com/conservativ...yths-cockpit-doors-marvin-bush-and-building-7

Popular Mechanics did a really good job of debunking the myths years ago, but some people just don't want to accept the truth. In my experience these are the same people who believe the CIA killed JFK and the moon landing was fake.

 

[blueridge71]

And, might I add, they also believe that Ron Paul should be president.

 

[Lowrider717]

In my experience these are the same people who believe the CIA killed JFK and the moon landing was fake.

Unfortunately, this type of reaction is what keeps the establishment in place and from being forced to answer(or investigate) the legitimate questions regarding that terrible day. Not to mention the numerous Constitutional usurpations that have taken place since.

 

[Lowrider717]

And, might I add, they also believe that Ron Paul should be president.

Let me guess, Your god is Rick Perry?

 

[Lowrider717]

I would remind you all, that it wasn't that long ago that a Pilot-(one who might subscribe to Govt "conspiracies"), and who'd seen enough of "Govt gone Wild", stood up and took one for the team. Which is the reason most of us bypass the body scanners these days. Understand, I'm not saying that this Pilot is a "9/11 pilot for truth". I'm just indicating he saw there was something wrong, he questioned it to the point of possibly losing his job, and the rest of us benefit. He held the Govt accountable.
Not all of us Wackos think a cruise missile hit the Pentagon, but we don't let the media frame the debate or investigation either. Some of us just want the truth. (Maybe thats why people affix the label "truthers"-but like its a bad thing...does anyone else see a problem with the mainstream making a term like "truth" a BAD thing? What twisted bit of wordsmithing that is.) Like zebra face said.."THINK FOR YOURSELF"

 

[Lowrider717]

With that, I leave you with a blog that might just get some of you stuck in the matrix to wake up, and start asking questions and maybe just maybe, hold your Govt accountable.

The Colossal Deceit Known As The Underwear Bomber Case

Kurt Haskell
September 20, 2011

With jury selection set to begin in the Underwear Bomber Trial tomorrow, I’ve spent the evening reminiscing about Christmas Day 2009 and the 21 months since. The Underwear Bomber attack has fundamentally changed my life. Not in the way most would think, but it has destroyed any faith I’ve had in the U.S. Government, the media and this country as a whole.
To say that I believe the government is corrupt and the media is complicit doesn’t fully explain my beliefs. Not only have I come to those conclusions, but I’ve witnessed that an ordinary person who sees something important can be silenced despite his efforts to spread the truth. Such is the Underwear Bomber case. I can do nothing but laugh at the TSA’s new policy of “If you see something say something.” That is exactly what I did, and not only did the U.S. Government not want to hear what I had to say, but it actively lied about it, attempted to get me to change my story, and hid, by withholding (secret government) evidence or putting a protective order on the evidence and nearly everything that would support my eyewitness account.
Where are we now? We now have The Underwear Bomber (Umar) representing himself with the help of standby attorney Chambers. Attorney Chambers has indicated to me that if he were Umar’s attorney, that the defense would be entrapment and that I would be a key witness. Of course, such a defense would expose the U.S. Government’s involvement in the plot. It is much too convenient to have Umar represent himself and be in charge of what the defense will be, what evidence is presented, what witnesses are called and what questions each witness is asked. A trial with Umar representing himself will leave the relevant facts of this case unknown for generations.
I can’t help but think that Umar fired his attorneys for a reason other than he is a crazy terrorist. It is much too convenient that the entity that staged the event, also controls the evidence, what information is leaked to the media, who the prosecutors are, and the prison where Umar has sbeen staying at for the last 21 months. Let’s not overlook the fact that the U.S. Government has admitted to waterboarding and torturing terrorists. Do you see the pieces of the puzzle forming a clear picture yet?
Make no mistake that Umar did in fact attempt to detonate a device (although it was a defective device) on Flight 253. He is not innocent. It remains to be discovered whether my belief that Umar is complicit with the “theatre” going on before our eyes came about before or after the event of Christmas Day 2009. It really is not important except that you must understand that he is now complicit in covering up the true story of Christmas Day 2009. There is no other explanation as to why Umar is representing himself and rejecting the entrapment defense (Which I have discovered he will do).
For those that are still skeptical of my claims, please realize that I do not make my claims without a great deal of thought and research. My firm belief is that Umar was escorted around security and given an intentionally defective bomb by a U.S. intelligence agent. The bomb was never intended to detonate, but merely intended to create a “simulated terrorist attack” or a “false flag attack” if you will. In December of 2009, the U.S. Government hadn’t seen a terrorist attack in 8 years, It was getting more and more difficult to spend hundreds of billions a year on terrorism and to continue to fight two fraudulent wars based on terrorism. Those making their livings off of the war on terror didn’t want to lose their cash cow. Enter Umar the Underwear Bomber. A second benefit of a failed bomb being found in Umar’s underwear, was to enable body scanning machines to be placed in every airport. How convenient for Michael Chertoff , a former head of the DHS, to have ties to the body scanning companies. I doubt that this was any coincidence. Once again, billions of dollars would flow from the U.S. Government for body scanning machines that were needed to protect us.
What we are now left with are the bits and pieces of the Underwear Bomber case that can form a clear picture of what happened that day. For those of you attempting to put it all together, please take your time and think about the evidence instead of glossing over it and continuing to remain in denial. The truth is that your U.S. Government staged a false terrorist attack in order to steal your tax dollars and your 4th Amendment Rights to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures. Please thoroughly consider the following with an open mind and think about why this sort of behavior must stop now:
My thoughts on this case and the list of anomalies that differ from the official version of events were made through: (a) numerous discussions with other passengers, (b) my own eyewitness account, (c) discussions with Umar’s standby attorney, (d) hundreds of articles on the story (e) evidence provided to me by others “in the know” or just other concerned citizens, and (f) from the official record at hearings I attended. ...continued

 

[Lowrider717]

..continued...
...Anomalies of the case in no particular order:
1. In December 2010, Chambers told the Detroit Free Press that the Government’s own explosives experts indicate that the bomb was impossibly defective. The Free Press later erased this article from its online site, but did not erase earlier underwear bomber stories.
2. The FBI has admitted to supplying the Portland Christmas Tree Bomber and the Wrigley Field Bomber with intentionally defective bombs shortly after the underwear bomber event.
3. Janet Napolitano’s comment that “the system worked” was a Freudian slip.
4. The plane taxied to the gate. The passengers were not allowed off of the plane for 20-30 minutes (Was the bomb still on the plane?). There was bomb material that was supposedly explosive all over the cabin of the plane. Nobody took any action to make sure the passengers were safe or that the “explosives” were of no danger to the passengers. This is evidence of foreknowledge that there was no danger to the passengers.
5. TSA admitted knowledge of the threat while the flight was over Canada/Atlantic Ocean. No measures were taken to notify the pilot or to divert the flight for an emergency landing elsewhere.
6. My eyewitness account of the sharp dressed man and the related evidence as to this man. There is no other likely explanation for this man except for government involvement. The airport video has never been released and remains under protective order of the court.
7. The government’s continued release of Umar’s passport picture through the media. This was done for no other reason that to attempt to discredit me. Why such an effort to show a passport picture all over the media? In no other case has a passport picture been shown in the media. A copy of the supposed “passport” of Umar, however, was not released to Chambers until June 2011. The release of the passport to standby defense counsel was delayed 19 months in order to limit the amount of time Chambers would need to have experts verify its authenticity.
8. The explanation for the cameraman is near unbelieveable. He started filming the sky just before the attack started and then he turned to film the entire attack from beginning to end. We all thought we were going to die. The last thing on anyone’s mind at that time was to film something.
9. On 1-5-10 Breibart posted an article that indicated the Government had viewed over 200 hours of video from the airport and it showed no evidence of an accomplice. This article is contradicted by the 1-22-10 article of ABC News by Brian Ross that indicated that “The government is looking into the identity of a man that helped Umar at Schiphol.” The article fails to mention that this “sharp dressed man” escorted Umar through security without a passpot and instead tries to paint this man as Al Qaeda. The government is contradicting itself in both of these stories and is attemptin weak coverups in each story.
10. Umar is charged with conspiracy. The accomplices names or contributions are never mentioned. They are not listed as wanted and they are never discussed. This is because they are U.S. Intelligence agents.
11. Customs spokeperson Ron Smith changed the official story about the 2nd man taken into custody in Detroit 5 times. Then he sent a half hearted apoogetic email to the media. My story as to this man has never changed. Ron Smith eventually gave up lying and quit talking about this man who was witnessed by nearly all of the passengers.
12. Why were pictures of Umar’s underwear constantly released to the media? These pictures show Umar’s underwear is largely intact. I have information from a credible source that due to this incident, Umar “Will never have any kids”. This fact is not in line with undamaged underwear. The continued release of the underwear was used as a propaganda piece to reinforce the deceit.
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13. The prosecution has continued to block evidence from Umar’s standby attorney and in some cases, has provided it late. Why? If Umar was a terrorist nut, what is it that the government does not want the defense to see? It seems to me that if the official story is true, then this is an open and shut case. It appears that the government feels a need to insulate itself from civil cases filed by the passengers.
14. Why has Chambers repeatedly indicated that Umar has a very valid defense? The answer is the entrapment defense.
15. Portions of the Patriot Act were set to expire just before Christmas Day 2009. The Congressional vote to extend them was delayed until February. Body scanning machines were already built and sitting in warehouses. Michael Chertoff, the former head of the Department of Homeland Security has ties to the body scanning manufacturers. The U.S. had no terrorist attacks from 2001 until Christmas Day 2009. A new terrorist attack was needed to get the body scanning machines in the airports.
16. If flight 253 had crashed, nobody would know that the bomb was in Umar’s underwear. An unsuccesful staged attack was necessary to show where the bomb was held. This was needed to sell the American public that body scanners were needed to prevent similar future attacks.
17. The story of Umar obtaining his bomb in another country and wearing it to Schiphol is not logical. It is much more likely that he was given the defective bomb at or near the airport. It is likely that the second man taken into custody in Detroit gave him the bomb at Schiphol. My theory is that the bomb sniffing dog (which we witnessed) in Detroit sniffed bomb residue in his bag after we landed.
18. Umar could have been stopped in Amsterdam after boarding and been charged with various charges that would have resulted in a life sentence. Instead he was allowed to fly into U.S. airspace and light his bomb there, over Detroit, on Christmas Day in order to make this a MUCH large media story to usher in the body scanners.
19. How did Umar pick his window seat over the gas tank when he paid cash for his ticket? (You must buy your ticket with credit in order to pick your seat).
20. Other terrorist attack videos are released within hours. The relevant video in this case has never been released. Note that Schiphol airport has more cameras than any airport in the world.
21. The bomb was lit in the cabin and not in the bathroom so that it could be filmed and make more of a media event than a dud bomb lit in a bathroom.
22. Obama’s “failed to connect the dots speech” is discredited by the Congressional testimony of Patrick Kennedy of the State Department. Kennedy indicated that, in so many words, that the government was tracking Umar and did not revoke his visa in order to track him into the U.S. This is almost, but not quite an admission that he was let into the U.S. on purpose.
23. The Congressional testimony of Michael Leiter indicated that the U.S. Government frequently lets terrorists into the U.S.
24. In early 2010, a Mr. Wolf appeared on the Keith Olberman Show and indicated that the Obama administration was looking into the possibility that this was an intentional plot by a U.S. intelligence agency.
25. Watch the Congressional testimony of Patrick Kennedy (available on the internet) and watch how he does vocabulary gymnastics to avoid saying that this was an intentional plot by U.S. intelligence.
26. Dutch military police initially indicated that Umar did not go through normal security measures. This was only reported once.
27. Why did a passenger call me in early January 2010 and attempt to convince me that I did not see Umar being escorted around security, but I instead witnessed a minor child being taken through security. This was untrue. I later found out that such passenger works for a contractor that receives a great deal of business from the Department of Defense.
28. Why does the mainstream media continue to not investigate this story and continue to not report my eyewitness account?
29. A second passenger contacted me and confirmed my acount of the Sharp Dressed Man. She is scared and refuses to come forward.
30. Why have nearly all of the passengers refused to talk about this case?
31. Why were a great deal of the passengers, military personnel, government workers and government contractors?
32. Why did the prosecution indicate at a recent hearing that it was still withholding some evidence that was deemed to be secret (top seret?). What could be so secret if the government was not involved in the plot?
33. Why has the online Detroit Free Press site erased all underwear bomber articles that support my theory on the case, but retained older articles that support the official story?
It is unfortunate that the upcoming trial will be nothing but a farce and deceitful theatre to imbed lies in the minds of the sheeple.
Please Visit Kurt Haskell’s Blog for the latest on this cover-up and the impending case.

 

[SLUF4]

Who is Kurt Haskell? Again, this blog is his "theory". I don't think the media is complicit-i just think they are a bunch of morons.

 

[Lowrider717]

Who is Kurt Haskell?

Think for yourself.


It's not rocket science anymore. You're a couple clicks away from information that those in the information war would rather you just forget about.
The easy access to info however, also creates a perception problem, because of all the high schoolers with wild theories and youtube accounts.

"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act."
--- George Orwell

 

[SLUF4]

so who's to say this isn't just some guy looking for publicity? you never know people's motives.