9/11 pilots for truth?

[CaptWidgeon]

the government cant even get a budget in place, do you think they could pull this off, they would probably argue too much on what airline to pick or what city the plane should depart from.

on one hand people will claim what incompetence the bush admin operated at, the claim he arranged this. ok, you can have one or the other. a friends daughter, actually daughters unfortunately, believe this. this is a link she posted online from some freak who also believes it was a conspiracy. i'm only passing this along cuz it just blows me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2iAYqdOOJo4

if you watch it, i'll tell you now it is time in your life you won't get back. my disclaimer.

 

[j41driver]

I was searching for some information and ran across this 9/11 pilots for truth website. It's supposedly founded by airline pilots that feel 9/11 is a conspiracy I guess. Is this for real? There's a list of core members with their workplaces etc..

I have flown with the first guy on their "list of members". He's completely delusional about all that happened 10 years ago. I've gone around and around with him about it and finally had to break ties with him because it's just too "tin foil hat" for me.

 

[Erlanger]

What a disgrace and lack of respect for the crew members that we lost that day. I have heard everything from the planes were military jets that shot missles into the buildings right before impact, to the towers had explosives planted in them to make them fall, to the pentagon was hit with a missle not a plane. When are these low life a holes going to stop and just move on. There is one easy question to ask anyone who thinks that the airplanes that hit the towers were not airliners. Where did the planes go then? Even in 2001, there was enough technology that someone would have seen those planes go somewhere

Not just where did the planes go but where did the passengers go then? I guess the conspiracists would say the names on the memorials are made up.

 

[aviatrix767]

on one hand people will claim what incompetence the bush admin operated at, the claim he arranged this. ok, you can have one or the other. a friends daughter, actually daughters unfortunately, believe this. this is a link she posted online from some freak who also believes it was a conspiracy. i'm only passing this along cuz it just blows me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2iAYqdOOJo4

if you watch it, i'll tell you now it is time in your life you won't get back. my disclaimer.

Bored...so I watched the video. Wow... just....wow.

First of all, if someone wishes to establish some semblance of competency and knowledge, I would suggest NOT painting one's face like a zebra!?!?!? Unbelievable...

 

[Lowrider717]

Bored...so I watched the video. Wow... just....wow.

First of all, if someone wishes to establish some semblance of competency and knowledge, I would suggest NOT painting one's face like a zebra!?!?!? Unbelievable...

Agreed, not the best costume to start a sensible discussion on the Conspiracy.

Artistically, I saw a lot of "background" messages,( i.e.-upside down flag) and thought he gave good advice..."THINK FOR YOURSELF" don't let the 24/7 news frame the discussion for you.

Many theories and elements of conspriacy abound. Some are cookoo for coacoa puffs, others have valid questions and points. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. In the end, its really not "who did what", its "look what happened because".

There is a war being waged, and it's not against the "terrorists".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Tower 7 collapse is suspicious.

Where are the wing impact points at the pentagon? (Seriously, if you have a photo link it.)

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[Lowrider717]

Tower 7 collapse is suspicious.

Where are the wing impact points at the pentagon? (Seriously, if you have a photo link it.)

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One only has to look at the recent Reno crash to see what happens to a plane when it impacts solid structures at high speeds. http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/conclusions/debris.html

Still, when applying reason, WTC 7 stands out as a very large question mark. That and many other investigated circumstances leads to other questions, questions that many would rather have us just forget and erase from history. Why is that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3knWrRthw0


Here are some coacoa puffs but with some compelling facts...
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Tower 7 collapse is suspicious.

Where are the wing impact points at the pentagon? (Seriously, if you have a photo link it.)

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Throw a full beer can at a brick wall and let us know how badly the wall gets damaged.

Wing have little horizontal strength or mass against a steel reinforced wall. The core of the 757 had the engines, the fuselage length, wingbox, main fuel tank, steel landing gear and engines that punched through.

Are you one of the clowns that discount the hundreds/thousands of witnesses stuck in traffic that saw an airliner hit the Pentagon, or do you get your news from teenagers on YouTube?

Tower 7 had a massive chunk taken out of it from one of the two WTC towers and probably massive support damage beneath street level as well.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Tower 7 collapse is suspicious.

Where are the wing impact points at the pentagon? (Seriously, if you have a photo link it.)

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Hey retard.... I know people who were on Flight 77. They are gone and the family was devasted.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

Artistically, I saw a lot of "background" messages,( i.e.-upside down flag) and thought he gave good advice..."THINK FOR YOURSELF" don't let the 24/7 news frame the discussion for you.

same here re: seeing what was an attempt at an 'artistic' way to make a point. and "think for yourself", i agree also. the bizarre thing to me, ok, one of a few, is at the end saying this was for first responders. i must be old, i understand you have a point of view and you want to get your point/opinion across, fine. but, with the upside down flag, why the disrespect? not whole truths, i.e. fire burning a steel building down, your 'opponent' is going to have a retort to this like a fat kid on cake.

my biggest pet peeve is the disrespect. in our world today though that seems to be the norm as we continue to slide towards the lowest common denominator.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Hey retard.... I know people who were on Flight 77. They are gone and the family was devasted.

Hey retard, you're not the only one.

Tower 1 & 2 came down in a predictable manner given the damage they sustained. Tower 7 did not and is suspicious. Conspiracy? Probably not. But further examination and questioning in warranted. Design flaw? Metallurgical issue? Who knows. But the questioning is valid.

I have not seen a good picture of the impact from a fuel laden 757 wing hitting the building. If you have a link please provide as I haven't seen one yet. The wing impact from the second tower strike is plainly visible and am looking for such at the Pentagon.



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[DAS at 10/250]

same here re: seeing what was an attempt at an 'artistic' way to make a point. and "think for yourself", i agree also. the bizarre thing to me, ok, one of a few, is at the end saying this was for first responders. i must be old, i understand you have a point of view and you want to get your point/opinion across, fine. but, with the upside down flag, why the disrespect? not whole truths, i.e. fire burning a steel building down, your 'opponent' is going to have a retort to this like a fat kid on cake.

my biggest pet peeve is the disrespect. in our world today though that seems to be the norm as we continue to slide towards the lowest common denominator.

Hey Capt, an upside flag is a sign of distress, not disrespect. A burning flag would be disrespect.

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[DAS at 10/250]

Throw a full beer can at a brick wall and let us know how badly the wall gets damaged.

Wing have little horizontal strength or mass against a steel reinforced wall. The core of the 757 had the engines, the fuselage length, wingbox, main fuel tank, steel landing gear and engines that punched through.

Are you one of the clowns that discount the hundreds/thousands of witnesses stuck in traffic that saw an airliner hit the Pentagon, or do you get your news from teenagers on YouTube?

Tower 7 had a massive chunk taken out of it from one of the two WTC towers and probably massive support damage beneath street level as well.

I don't discount eye witness accounts. That's the job of the NTSB (TWA 800).

I said Tower 7 was suspicious, not a conspiracy.

I have not seen a good photo of the damage from a fuel laden 757 wing hitting the Pentagon (but haven't done a lot of looking either). If you have it, please share.

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[Lowrider717]

I don't discount eye witness accounts. That's the job of the NTSB (TWA 800).

I have not seen a good photo of the damage from a fuel laden 757 wing hitting the Pentagon (but haven't done a lot of looking either). If you have it, please share.

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Who cares about the damage, amazing things happen when large metal objects hit solid stationary ones.

Where's ALL the video footage(security cams) of the plane actually coming in and hitting the building. I don't understand why they won't release that.

 

[SLUF4]

The impact of WTC 1 and 2 falling created the equivalent of a small earthquake. Couple that with parts of the building falling on WTC 7 earlier and it's easy to see how it could collapse.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

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I have not seen a good photo of the damage from a fuel laden 757 wing hitting the Pentagon (but haven't done a lot of looking either). If you have it, please share.

The only version is the offical one which has several gaps in the frames. Very suspicious, indeed.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

The impact of WTC 1 and 2 falling created the equivalent of a small earthquake. Couple that with parts of the building falling on WTC 7 earlier and it's easy to see how it could collapse.

I could agree with that. But I'm not an architect or engineer either. And when 1500+ of them are calling B.S. I think it warrants at least a cursory look at the facts.

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[DAS at 10/250]

The only version is the offical one which has several gaps in the frames. Very suspicious, indeed.

All I need is one photo and then I would be happy to move on a see how the new super conferences will replace the BCS BS. But, I haven't seen it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, just that I haven't seen it.

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[DAS at 10/250]

Where's ALL the video footage(security cams) of the plane actually coming in and hitting the building. I don't understand why they won't release that.

I think that is a very valid question.



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[SLUF4]

on one hand people will claim what incompetence the bush admin operated at, the claim he arranged this. ok, you can have one or the other. a friends daughter, actually daughters unfortunately, believe this. this is a link she posted online from some freak who also believes it was a conspiracy. i'm only passing this along cuz it just blows me away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2iAYqdOOJo4

if you watch it, i'll tell you now it is time in your life you won't get back. my disclaimer.

so this guy has strings of "facts" about all this nonsense, but he doesn't cite where he got them from. It's all just opinion (in my opinion). Can you really trust Zebra Star Guy for the facts?