8 hour flight time limit

[dogtown]

Here's another twist to that question. Before coming to work, your trip is scheduled for 7:58 minutes of flying. Duty day is not a factor here, lets say. When you show up and check in, it now shows a flight time day of 8:10. Dispatch has amended the times. Are you legal to start and finish that trip if it will take you over the 8 hours?

No, not legal to start so you can't do it.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Dog
Sorry, but you are wrong on both counts. If you do a search on here, you will, find the letter that the FAA has written addressing the over 8 hour flight plan issue.

Letter to Tom Kehmeier, from Donald P. Byrne, Assistant Chief Counsel, Regulations Division (concluding that once the pilot has flown over 8 hours in any 24 consecutive hours, section 121.503(b) rest is triggered and the pilot in the scenario presented who exceeded the 8 hour limit by 8 minutes at the time he landed at CVG, an intermediate leg, must be given 16 hours of rest before he may continue on with the next flight)[2001-2] (copy enclosed). In a situation where a pilot exceeds 8 hours after take off, because of a circumstance beyond the certificate holder's control that develops during that flight leg, such as adverse weather, the certificate holder, as a matter of enforcement policy, would not be deemed to be in violation of the section 121.503(b) rest requirement. Upon landing, however, the pilot must be given 16 hours of rest before he may continue with another flight.

That is from an FAA interp on flying over eight hours. If you land with over eight hours on you, you are done.

 

[dogtown]

Dog
Sorry, but you are wrong on both counts. If you do a search on here, you will, find the letter that the FAA has written addressing the over 8 hour flight plan issue.



That is from an FAA interp on flying over eight hours. If you land with over eight hours on you, you are done.

Not true.
I don't know what you are Quoting, but lets say you are schuduled for 7:30 for the day and the last part of that is a ORD-PHL-ORD worth 5hrs. On your way to PHL you hold several times and eventually divert at MDT (harrisburg). Let's say that when you land at MDT you have flown 8hrs 1min. While you have flown more than 8hrs, you where origanaly scheduled less than 8 and only diverted due to circumstances beyond your controle. At this point you are sill legal to depart MDT to PHL (legal to start, legal to finish) After you land and board up you are legal to fly back to ORD as long as when you depart PHL your estimated flight time will not put you back in (& duty off) in ORD past your 16hrs duty day (8hr rest lookback in 24hr perlod). As long as you will do this you are legal, (legal does not mean safe) to fly past 8hrs, could be 12, 14...hrs in one day without rest.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

Ahh, you know what Dog, you are right, I was looking at supplemental rules (the rules I fly under).

My bad.

 

[dogtown]

Ahh, you know what Dog, you are right, I was looking at supplemental rules (the rules I fly under).

My bad.

Cool. And now that that is settled I am going to bed.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Your schedule was changed, therefore the legal to start is no longer valid for the 8:10 update your schedule.

 

[Prop2Jet]

"Upon landing, however, the pilot must be given 16 hours of rest before he may continue with another flight. " What is this? Try if you flew over 8 hours but under 9 you need only 9 on a reduced rest period. Or 10 hours of rest on a regular rest period.

 

[n757st]

Yeah, I was always under the impression that you could fly 14 hours in a day if needed as long as your original schedule was for less then 8. As soon as you change something on your schedule, say you are running late all day and have already flown 7 hours, scheduling and changes your RON with the next leg blocked at 1 hour 5 mins... you are not legal to go because the reroute would take you above 8 hours flying.

 

[sckakids]

First, diaptch does not change times...the release and weather automatically adjust for what the computer thinks it will take to fly, so this still falls under legal to start legal to finish. The thinking that you have to look at leg by leg is untrue, although some airlines do subscribe to this, but this is currently not the interpretation of the FAA. Legal to start the trip, legal to finish, unless it is changed from original schedule, meaning you are rescheduled to a completely different rt, or sets of flights and then scheduling has to reestablish the legal to start, legal to finish wiht actual time already flown for the day and what is scheduled for remainder of the day. Diversions are also legal to start, legal to finish, as long as you go to original destiantion or dept airport, anywhere else is a reassignment and has to be checked for legal to start.

Ok Im winded

 

[DrewBlows]

The question was answered in post #2. This is an exercise in futility.