737-800 question to gary kelly

[RedDogC130]

Was listening to a q&a session that was online for employees and the question of could SWA ever bring on the 737-800. Gary's answer was that if we could fill the seats in a given market then it would work. The additional FA would be a scheduling issue that would have to be worked out. He even went on the say if we did come across some they could be parked and maintained until such time....but was quick after saying that to say that there is nothing on the horizon or something to that affect alomst like he was trying to shut himself up about something. Any here from SWA watch the video in swalife?..it was at the DEN meeting which is online.....makes me wonder...doesn't Sun Country have -800s would it not make sense to put a plane like that in a market like LGA where we are slot limited but want the seats filled.....am I reading into this too much?

 

[roughneck]

no, you are not reading to much into it.

 

[Hamburger]

They came across plenty of 'em in ATA when they got the LGA slots in the first place. Tossed em away with the rest of the corpse after the blood was sucked dry.

 

[XR650R]

There's a famous story about Herb having breakfast with some new hire pilots and stating that without a doubt he was NOT looking at buying Morris Air- Now way, Now how. Well, he left the breakfast and went to the pre-arranged press conference to announce the acquisition of Morris. Go figure....

 

[XR650R]

They came across plenty of 'em in ATA when they got the LGA slots in the first place. Tossed em away with the rest of the corpse after the blood was sucked dry.

Tried to aquire them but the leases were crazy high and the lessors wouldn't re-negotiate better terms so away they went.

 

[IAHERJ]

Evidently not the case with ATA's 757-300....

 

[HalinTexas]

Tried to aquire them but the leases were crazy high and the lessors wouldn't re-negotiate better terms so away they went.

The leases were pretty damn cheap after the '05 BK. SWA never tried to acquire anything of the sort. ATA went from 65 airframes, including L10's. In April '08 we were at 30, including L10's, DC10's, '800's and 757's. As with any deal, SWA could negotiate anything they wanted.

SWA was a major player in having GAL come on board. They also had a role in merging GAL into World. They had plenty of chances. They didn't want to deal with ATA labor. SWA blew it, they're paying for it now.

 

[OurMoney1]

The leases were pretty damn cheap after the '05 BK. SWA never tried to acquire anything of the sort. ATA went from 65 airframes, including L10's. In April '08 we were at 30, including L10's, DC10's, '800's and 757's. As with any deal, SWA could negotiate anything they wanted.

SWA was a major player in having GAL come on board. They also had a role in merging GAL into World. They had plenty of chances. They didn't want to deal with ATA labor. SWA blew it, they're paying for it now.

Blew what?

Do you know what an ATA 12 year Captains makes?

Nothin....he's on the street clown.

 

[redflyer65]

Ouch. This is a tough room!

 

[Metro752]

Do you know what an ATA 12 year Captains makes?

Nothin....he's on the street clown.

That's in poor taste...



I was under the impression SWA doesn't want -800s because it would require another flight attendant. Maybe that was the story years ago.

 

[mt2]

Gary actually discussed the 737-800 question in the last earnings call as well. Basically he said it'd be a good a/c for the LGA stuff. Back at Brand X we didn't have a problem filling all the seats on the LGA/MDW route. Might be an option for SWA to increase LGA lift.

Also, SWA could also use the -800 aircraft to run to Mexico and Hawaii someday

 

[ableone]

About eight years ago Herb was talking to a new hire class with a friend of mine in attendance.

The question about aircraft types came up and Herb said that SW and Boeing had recently been discussing some homeless 757s.

Herb said that while they would not be seeking out other aircraft types, because of the obvious training issues, if Boeing or another owner ever offered them another type for a low enough price they would do the deal. In the case of the aforementioned 75s the price would have to be low enough to compensate for the additional expenses inherent with adding another type.

Though the -800 would require another FA, therefore messing with the SWA - any crew can operate any aircraft - philosophy, if the price is right I am sure they would do it in a heartbeat.

What that pricepoint is, however, is known only to Gary Kelly et. all.

 

[scoreboardII]

Gary has also said:
Never going to Denver, never buying F9, never make LAS a crew base, etc...

 

[waveflyer]

Are the SCA 737-800's ETOPS?

 

[GuppyWN]

Gary doesn't have the balls to make an aggressive move. He's too busy coverng 6.

But on a brighter note....... 35 more captains got downgraded yesterday.

Gup

 

[HalinTexas]

Blew what?

Do you know what an ATA 12 year Captains makes?

Nothin....he's on the street clown.

I'm acutely aware. Thanks brotha.

But a few are doing better, in Asia.

If you could read, you'd notice I was responding to another post. I corrected his historical statement.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I believe that not furloughing 2-400 pilots right now shows pretty good testicular fortitude.

 

[maxblast72]

Hard to believe an extra flight attendant is that big of a deal in the cost structure of an airplane that cost $5,000-$6,000/hr to operate. The ability of a city pairing to support the extra capacity has to be a much bigger factor in the decision.

How many Captains total have been downgraded? How many Captains at Southwest are retiring prior to 65?

 

[Metro752]

FAA.gov says Southwest has 546 737s... I don't know how accurate that is.

Let's say they get 50 737-800s.

The average flight attendant there brings home 30/hr, x 110/mo is about $3300, let's not even throw in per-diem, or open time.

3300x12 is about 40,000

40k x 50 is 2,000,000

2,000,000 x let's say 4 per airplane is 8,000,000.

That's 8 million they save by not having another FA.

My numbers are all just a guess. Not sure if the 8mil would be covered by the increased revenue of having a bigger plane.

I know 8mil really isn't that much money in the grand scheme of things either for an airline as massive as Southwest.

 

[sleeves]

Blew what?

Do you know what an ATA 12 year Captains makes?

Nothin....he's on the street clown.

Man this board (Profession) has some serious losers. When you are typing things like this to someone, who does not have a job, does that make you feel good about yourself? It makes me feel sorry for you, you have no class.