707 Vs DC8

[geojet707]

Joe Patroni would disagree.

Mr. Patroni, she ain't going to take much more....

Well any way she is going to get it!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Mr. Patroni, she ain't going to take much more....

Well any way she is going to get it!

"That's the great thing about the 707 -- She can do everything but read."

All mechanics should smoke cigars.

 

[EMBATP]

lil jerry

reread my post....it says kc-135 e "mods"....never implied they were they sme airplane or that you can make one into the other

 

[hkgorbust]

Boeing did learn from there mistakes, however. Ever notice how tall the landing gear is on the 757 and later designs?

Helps to keep the nacelles from scraping the pavement too!

 

[727gm]

Heard from some engineers that Boeing (like Lockheed) had enough high-powered engineering talent to design a lighter, efficient wing that flexed enough in turbulence to give a nice soft ride, but the stresses were consequently above the "fatigue limit", and the wing would eventually get enough cracks here and there to doom the airplane.

Douglas engineering just built a "bridge" of a wing, with wing stresses below the fatigue limit, (and a "harder" ride in turbulence) and consequently the wing will not fatigue (ever), the airplane will be undone by old wiring harnesses or fuselage pressurization cycle fatigue, or politics, or something.

Both awesome flying machines!!!

 

[FearlessFreep]

No FMS on ours. We still use the good ole' INS.

Do you mean that your still using the Mighty 9 lat/long waypoint Delco/Litton Carousel IVA?

I would think that Big Brown would spend some money on that!

I was in the Tech Museum in Munich - They had a Carousel control head, main chassis and MSU panel on display. I was looking to see if it had a Serviceable Tag, I could have then purloined it for use in our aircraft!

 

[stupidpilot]

Whoever designed the Litton 72/92 series shoulda been shot! Those things are the most user unfriendly #@$%&*()_ @#%$*&@$$*&@$$@^@$%^$&@)(.!!!!!!!!!!

Well, you get the idea.

 

[freightdogfred]

I once heard a DC-8 captain refer to them as the Douglas Cable Company. One pretty tough bird.

Three American companies built heavy jets in the sixties.

The Boeing electric company

The Lockheed hydraulic company

The Douglas cable and accumulator company.

The outfit I worked for in the eighties sent a mechanic out to measure all the cables in the DC-8. That was 1987, and he ain't back yet.

 

[Huck]

Joe Patroni would disagree.

In the book he found a part that was defective by design and threatened the whole airline fleet.

He jumpseated to New York, burst into the airline CEO's office, pulled the oily part out of a sack and dropped it on the CEO's desk, saying something like "You're going to lose your company over this."

 

[Publishers]

Maintenance--- look at any Boeing product versus Douglas start with DC3
Payload
Range

Are there any other issues than these that obsolete aircraft.

 

[FearlessFreep]

Whoever designed the Litton 72/92 series shoulda been shot!

At least our Litton 92's have databases (for the moment) and you can load the whole route into them. Some airports even have lists in the Jepps of the departure/arrival Litton 92 database names; you could plug those in if your wish. Beats loading 9 at a time.

At least you don't have to do celestial.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I spent just shy of 3000 hours as a DC-8 engineer. It truely is a remarkable machine but rather unrefined. I have never flown the 707 or DC-8 as a pilot, but the folks that have flown both, much prefer flying the boeing.I guess its smooth easy to fly plane, whereas the DC-8 is a big mack truck!

And flew like one ,too.


PHXFLYR

ex-ATI DC8 FO

 

[Huck]

My pop was flying the "rope-start" whale at NWA in the mid-nineties.... they got Litton 92's and he had to go to a two-day school! He came back, saying "Man, you can just type in a waypoint, and it knows where it is!"

I was on the RJ at the time, flying FMS with GPS updating. He was just happy he could load more than nine points at once.....

 

[LR25]

A couple of the Air Canada 63's ATI used to operate are still going strong in the middle east working for Heavy Lift. If I remember right, they were 1966-68 vintage.

 

[b707guy]

No FMS on ours. We still use the good ole' INS.

Is there more than one INS, and are they updated in any way? Just curious if your 8's are MNPS capable with the INS. We had triple-mix Carousel IVs in the 74s I flew a few years back, and when most of the world went MNPS, we got Apollo GPS receivers to update the INS. We couldn't use the GPS for any sort of navigation, and in fact, the company screwed a cover plate over the data card slot so you couldn't get to any of the good info inside. All that capability and the only thing the GPS could do was update the INS to meet the nav accuracy requirements. Buy hey, at least the GNEs almost went to zero!

 

[PHXFLYR]

A couple of the Air Canada 63's ATI used to operate are still going strong in the middle east working for Heavy Lift. If I remember right, they were 1966-68 vintage.

That's correct.They also had the fuel panel located forward of the throttle quadrant along with the TC's,similar in configuration to KC135's. Only thing on the Engineer's panel was the electrical and hydraulic systems.if I remember correctly.

PHXFLYR

 

[LR25]

That's correct.They also had the fuel panel located forward of the throttle quadrant along with the TC's,similar in configuration to KC135's. Only thing on the Engineer's panel was the electrical and hydraulic systems.if I remember correctly.

PHXFLYR

Fuel panel was still in the back, I dont think they could figure out where to put the shutoff and crossfeed handles. We only had one airplane set up in the 2 man configuration, I think it was 868BX.

 

[belchfire]

It's a Douglas. Look at all the DC-8's, DC-9, DC-10's still flying. Douglas overbuilt everything, plus kept it simple. All cables. The inside of an 8 looks like a harp. Cables everywhere. The 707 or early 737 weren't built as tough. The early Boeing had skin problems. The DC-8's days are numbered now. They are getting very expensive to C check. Over a million dollar these days. One tough plane.

You left out DC-3's, a few -4's and -6's...

One of the worst things that ever happened was when McDonnell bought Douglas-the STL based owner just wanted to build stuff for the military while Douglas had both a strong military and commercial legacy. The SBD, AD, A-20, A-26, A3D, A4D...and yeah, some B-17's! If you get a chance to get up front in the CAF's "Sentimental Journey" there on the yoke is says "Douglas".
Guess Boeing got the last laugh though calling the last DC-9 variant a 717...

Some time after the Boeing purchase of McD I had to laugh at a poster in the terminal at Sea-Tac. It wasn't a nice laugh, it was a "YGBFSM" laugh. In fact I may have said that out loud! Alaska was celebrating their 50th year. Boeing had put up a poster about how proud they were of their long association with the airline-the oldest plane pictured was, yeah, you guessed it, a DC-3. I couldn't believe that the Lazy B was taking credit for the Gooney Bird!

I really hope that some other people noticed the error...still I would take a Boeing over an aireurotrashbus any day of the week!

 

[urflyingme?!]

Kind of like the Boeing MD-80 I flew on the other day (it actually said this on the ticket)

 

[MrSky]

Humm... I Always thought the Excellent Sleeping Quarters, were the reason we kept them...

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