70-seat RJ's flying for CAL

[jonjuan]

Hey Harry, that is what my mid-month check is.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You make over $250K/year as a F/O? Sweet!!!

 

[STINKER]

Whats up with all this XJT hating? I wish some of ya'll would tell us how you feel before climbing into the jumpseat. I mean sh!t if you think were all ******************************s I can f#ck up the math bad enough to let you wait for a ride on mainline. Just sayin' were all pawns and as far as my stance on the whole growth thing I sure as hell would prefer it to happen at the major/legacy... But seriously stop hatin' on us were just trying to get where ya'll have been fortunate enough to land.

TSA Alum /Current Jetlinker

 

[the palm]

You make over $250K/year as a F/O? Sweet!!!

Of course he does. It's on flightinfo so it must be true. Oh except for that part where Genital Lee swore that CAL/UAL were gonna take back all the regional flying. Oops. 70 seaters now. 100 seaters coming soon.

Bwahahahahahahahaaha!!!!!!!!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

No worries. CAL ALPA is on it.

 

[BID]

No worries. CAL ALPA is on it.

yes, they are.

 

[Draginass]

Sounds like UAL management is going to tell CALPA to GFY with regards to scope. I guess they could go to Lee Moak at ALPA national, but he'll just say, "give it up," like he did at DALPA.

 

[the palm]

Sounds like UAL management is going to tell CALPA to GFY with regards to scope. I guess they could go to Lee Moak at ALPA national, but he'll just say, "give it up," like he did at DALPA.

The Palm likes this

 

[Jetjockey]

It's early in the game boys and girls. I'd say bottom of the 3rd, and we haven even batted yet.

 

[jonjuan]

It's early in the game boys and girls. I'd say bottom of the 3rd, and we haven even batted yet.

As management brings in the last 3 Cy Young winners.

 

[Ben Franklin]

I'd say bottom of the 3rd, and we haven even batted yet.

Wait.

Explain again how it gets to the third inning without the home team batting?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[ATRCA]

Whats up with all this XJT hating? I wish some of ya'll would tell us how you feel before climbing into the jumpseat. I mean sh!t if you think were all ******************************s I can f#ck up the math bad enough to let you wait for a ride on mainline. Just sayin' were all pawns and as far as my stance on the whole growth thing I sure as hell would prefer it to happen at the major/legacy... But seriously stop hatin' on us were just trying to get where ya'll have been fortunate enough to land.

TSA Alum /Current Jetlinker

Come on......

Have you spent much time on the XJT forum in the last year? There's enough CAL hate on that forum to last a lifetime. I'm sure most of the posters there don't spew their shieet when they're beggin for a free ride on CAL either.

I've spent time on both flightdecks and have seen both sides of this equation. I can honestly say that I was surprised by how little XJT bashing went on when I left XJT for CAL. The bottom 3rd of the CAL list is comprised of a shocking number of former CoEx/XJT pilots......The disgust runs deep in both pilot groups and neither can claim the moral high ground in this debate.

In the end, we generally treat each other with respect when JS'ing and that's the way it should be. Forum trash talking is just that.....read it, laugh, get pissed but then move on.....

 

[Jetjockey]

Wait.

Explain again how it gets to the third inning without the home team batting?


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

without batting in the the bottom of the third.................more clear?

3 Cy Young winners on management's side? One maybe..............

We still have plenty left in the game......trust me. I look at this as brush back pitch. Tensions just got raised. If you really piss us off, we'll clear the benches.

 

[jonjuan]

I look at this as brush back pitch. Tensions just got raised. If you really piss us off, we'll clear the benches.

and rush toward a group of MMA cage fighters. God, I love analogies.

 

[flyboyzii]

I would be very happy (& impressed) if they actually get a hold of this scope issue & "reign" in the flying BUT I'm not holding my breath. If it ACTUALLY happens that would be great but I have my doubts.

 

[jonjuan]

I would be very happy (& impressed) if they actually get a hold of this scope issue & "reign" in the flying BUT I'm not holding my breath. If it ACTUALLY happens that would be great but I have my doubts.

It they do in fact get iron-clad scope for anything over 50 seats, they will help the profession like no ones business. Good luck, but the money on managements side is awful great.

 

[Jetjockey]

Many of you over estimate the prowess of management. This isn't a 2001 negotiation. It's going to be a fight, I'm planning the fight of (and for) my career. Doubt our resolve all you want knowing your days in your new 70 seat RJ may be numbered. If my livelihood depended on the negotionations of others, I'd be anxious too.

 

[WAZUP]

I would like to see mainline take back the 70 seaters. I'd rather fly that 70 at mainline then at Skywest. A lot of guys will make a career at a regional for many reasons, age, qol, whatever. My goal was to someday make it to a mainline carrier not sit for what maybe 7 years as an FO at a regional. But at least I'm at a good regional for the time. Glass half full type here!

 

[Glacialfury1906]

Hey Harry, that is what my mid-month check is. The problem for you is, your's is all in pesos. Other than that, have a GREAT DAY pal, and enjoy your McDonalds lunch.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Ha!!!! Hilarious... That was funny....

 

[FlyForFood_NOT]

Dear IAHERJ ..

Your comment..
"Sit on reserve by choice about month a year.
Zero "A" converted to "B"
Zero days in crew room
Zero quick calls"

..seems a bit ignorant, since the only thing that is saving you and your QOL right now is your seniority.. Most reserves here:
DO sit res not by choice..
DO get converted A to B..
DO sit in the crew room..
DO get quick calls..
So again it's ONLY because of your seniority that you don't deal w BS here, NOT because of your glorious contract and work rules (as you make it sound)..

With all due respect,,
You fellow coworker..

 

[100/hour/5y]

CAL has no work rules expect FARs.... CAL's current contract is a joke (except scope) and we still have pilots here at CAL that still don't get it...

WAKE UP!!!!

 

[Captain Morgan]

With all due respect; actually screw the respect....That piece of crap you fly is nothing like a DC-9. Do not even put the CRJ or ERJ in the same sentence as the DC-9 no matter what version we are talking about. The DC-9 was a mainline aircraft that was tough as sh%t. The "punks" are the backpack wearing, ipod sporting, gelled up hair dudes you most often find flying the RJ's. Some have moved on to mainline airlines and are slow to lose the "dude" look but that is what pisses off most mainline pilots. Sorry so many really great professional pilots flying at the regionals while they await mainline hiring have to be labeled as "punks" due to the actions of a growing minority of their peers.

So true!

 

[Jetjockey]

CAL has no work rules expect FARs.... CAL's current contract is a joke (except scope) and we still have pilots here at CAL that still don't get it...

WAKE UP!!!!

I hope you are involved in supporting your union as much as you biatch and complain here. Crying aint going to change a thing. Involvement, education, and communication will!

If your not involved, your just another face in the crowd.

 

[mamba20]

I hope you are involved in supporting your union as much as you biatch and complain here. Crying aint going to change a thing. Involvement, education, and communication will!

If your not involved, your just another face in the crowd.

Involved in what union? They do nothing but buckle and help out the company whenever possible to further the careers of a few union officials who have dreams of being in management. Just look at the ALPA and CALALPA track record if you think I'm just spinning my wheels. Sell out after sell out. Should I start a list?

I pay my dues every month. I dont have to do anything with my union, I already do enough. Those union people who do volunteer and do "more for the union" then thats fine, thats THEIR choice. Me, I'd just assume pay my dues and not waste my time. ALPA is a joke, CALALPA is a joke. Want me to care? Want me to be involved? Want my to change my attitude? Lets see how ALPA does with our JCBA. If they do right by us, then I might start to have some faith and support my union. But until then, I blame them more then anyone for the current plight of the airline pilot. Anyone who allows scabs back into the union simply to get more votes to bring ALPA back on property has their priorities mixed up. Talk about hypocracy. ALPA at its finest.

 

[STINKER]

Come on......

Have you spent much time on the XJT forum in the last year? There's enough CAL hate on that forum to last a lifetime. I'm sure most of the posters there don't spew their shieet when they're beggin for a free ride on CAL either.

I've spent time on both flightdecks and have seen both sides of this equation. I can honestly say that I was surprised by how little XJT bashing went on when I left XJT for CAL. The bottom 3rd of the CAL list is comprised of a shocking number of former CoEx/XJT pilots......The disgust runs deep in both pilot groups and neither can claim the moral high ground in this debate.

In the end, we generally treat each other with respect when JS'ing and that's the way it should be. Forum trash talking is just that.....read it, laugh, get pissed but then move on.....

Understood I guess I would like to see some
more solidarity amongst the groups and less divisive bullish!t. This babble about RJ drivers stealing mainline flying is a bit absurd and so is saying that mainline carriers are a thing of the past. Let's right the ship or this industry is truly screwed. Shame on management for putting it out for bid it's time for the B scale to end. Shut the select few guys up that can't wait to get their hands on larger airplanes at the regional level. Do what you can and hold the line. I'll thank you for it someday in the bar when I can afford to enjoy a drink with you.

 

[Jetjockey]

Involved in what union? They do nothing but buckle and help out the company whenever possible to further the careers of a few union officials who have dreams of being in management. Just look at the ALPA and CALALPA track record if you think I'm just spinning my wheels. Sell out after sell out. Should I start a list?

I pay my dues every month. I dont have to do anything with my union, I already do enough. Those union people who do volunteer and do "more for the union" then thats fine, thats THEIR choice. Me, I'd just assume pay my dues and not waste my time. ALPA is a joke, CALALPA is a joke. Want me to care? Want me to be involved? Want my to change my attitude? Lets see how ALPA does with our JCBA. If they do right by us, then I might start to have some faith and support my union. But until then, I blame them more then anyone for the current plight of the airline pilot. Anyone who allows scabs back into the union simply to get more votes to bring ALPA back on property has their priorities mixed up. Talk about hypocracy. ALPA at its finest.

You ARE the union! What you do with it, and what you get out of it is up to you.

 

[IAHERJ]

Dear IAHERJ ..

Your comment..
"Sit on reserve by choice about month a year.
Zero "A" converted to "B"
Zero days in crew room
Zero quick calls"

..seems a bit ignorant, since the only thing that is saving you and your QOL right now is your seniority.. Most reserves here:
DO sit res not by choice..
DO get converted A to B..
DO sit in the crew room..
DO get quick calls..
So again it's ONLY because of your seniority that you don't deal w BS here, NOT because of your glorious contract and work rules (as you make it sound)..

With all due respect,,
You fellow coworker..

I somewhat agree with your statement and hope you have NOT read in my posts that I am somewhat proud of our contract. Believe me, I AM NOT. Yes, a month or 2 a year I bid reserve out of choice due to the base and equipment status I am in being a good place to use reserve as a month vacation. I just completed my Fall month of reserve and it bit me in the butt. I was used on (2) 3 day trips and a day trip. Not what I was after. I know things are vastly different on the 737 or on the 757/767 in EWR. I will never vote for a contract that doesn't seriously address our reserve rules at CAL among many other things. I've got about half a year's income saved up so I'm ready to walk for longer than they can afford us to be away. I will not be a party to the continued degrogation of this profession if I can help it. When we merge, you and I could very well end up having to change equipment and move to another base. I look at a contract from the worst case scenario when I think about my vote. I will look at it as if I'm going to be the most junior reserve 737 or Airbus FO commuting to reserve at a base far away. If the contract takes care of that position, it can only get better moving up the seniority list.

 

[mamba20]

I somewhat agree with your statement and hope you have NOT read in my posts that I am somewhat proud of our contract. Believe me, I AM NOT. Yes, a month or 2 a year I bid reserve out of choice due to the base and equipment status I am in being a good place to use reserve as a month vacation. I just completed my Fall month of reserve and it bit me in the butt. I was used on (2) 3 day trips and a day trip. Not what I was after. I know things are vastly different on the 737 or on the 757/767 in EWR. I will never vote for a contract that doesn't seriously address our reserve rules at CAL among many other things. I've got about half a year's income saved up so I'm ready to walk for longer than they can afford us to be away. I will not be a party to the continued degrogation of this profession if I can help it. When we merge, you and I could very well end up having to change equipment and move to another base. I look at a contract from the worst case scenario when I think about my vote. I will look at it as if I'm going to be the most junior reserve 737 or Airbus FO commuting to reserve at a base far away. If the contract takes care of that position, it can only get better moving up the seniority list.

So what about the guys who are junior to you? You don't care about us? We don't really matter? Please tell me that I'm misreading your post.

 

[Flopgut]

You are misreading his posts. He is saying he is putting himself in someone more junior's position.

You could stand to relax somewhat....

 

[IAHERJ]

So what about the guys who are junior to you? You don't care about us? We don't really matter? Please tell me that I'm misreading your post.

Please re-read my post. Of course I'm thinking of you! How could I not. All you and I have to work with right now is our vote when a TA finally comes out for a vote. What I'm saying is that I will look at that TA as if I'm a heck of a lot more junior than I am because what is good for the most junior at the company tends to flow up at a steep gradient, historically speaking.

 

[nerjdriver]

With all due respect; actually screw the respect....That piece of crap you fly is nothing like a DC-9. Do not even put the CRJ or ERJ in the same sentence as the DC-9 no matter what version we are talking about. The DC-9 was a mainline aircraft that was tough as sh%t. The "punks" are the backpack wearing, ipod sporting, gelled up hair dudes you most often find flying the RJ's. Some have moved on to mainline airlines and are slow to lose the "dude" look but that is what pisses off most mainline pilots. Sorry so many really great professional pilots flying at the regionals while they await mainline hiring have to be labeled as "punks" due to the actions of a growing minority of their peers.

Hmm are you talking about the CAL Captain walking around IAH with his shirt untucked, his glasses on sideways and a handlebar mustache?