24th last day to put in for voluntary leave on the west side....#'s??

[Captzaahlie]

Today, the 24th was the last day to put in for voluntary furlough leave on the West side.
Anybody hear any numbers yet? Any concrete news regarding actual #'s on the East yet? Do you think we can get through one page before the Hatfield & Mcoy dialog starts? I better answer that myself and say no... you monkeys feel free to start flinging poop at will. :laugh:

 

[charlie2]

I heard 31 leaves here on the east side.

 

[TWA Dude]

FWIW:


Scheduling Committee Update
July 25, 2008
West Displacement Bid 2008-01

The West Displacement Bid 2008-01 was posted today. This bid includes the furlough of 175 active pilots. There were also 138 Captain downgrades and 45 First Officer displacements. The furloughs and displacements will be reduced commensurate with any approved extended leaves. At last count there were 13 approved extended leaves. Included with the bid is the MOCK Displacement Bid Award 07/23/08. The bid is posted on the Scheduling Committee Library for your convenience. Thank you. Steve Smyser, Chairman
Scheduling Committee

 

[Captzaahlie]

I heard 31 leaves here on the east side.

Thanks Charlie,

I was hoping for larger numbers to cover some of my friends on the east side. It's amazing airways is going to have to retrain a bunch of dudes to cover the 190 flying. I jump seated with the number 2 190 Fo in CLT the other day and he's slated to be let go in the first wave. I guess he has an extra 3 months now.....
Unfortunately it might make him crazy because he had a non flying job lined up that he can't postpone. Sounded like management was going to work with him but ya never know.....

 

[Captzaahlie]

FWIW:


Scheduling Committee Update
July 25, 2008
West Displacement Bid 2008-01

The West Displacement Bid 2008-01 was posted today. This bid includes the furlough of 175 active pilots. There were also 138 Captain downgrades and 45 First Officer displacements. The furloughs and displacements will be reduced commensurate with any approved extended leaves. At last count there were 13 approved extended leaves. Included with the bid is the MOCK Displacement Bid Award 07/23/08. The bid is posted on the Scheduling Committee Library for your convenience. Thank you. Steve Smyser, Chairman
Scheduling Committee

Only 13?
That sucks, guess I'll be home for Halloween. Sorry kids no candy here, this house is like Usairways..... No snacks or treats for you!

Thanks for the news TWA DUDE, maybe that count was pre 24th and some held out until the last minute.... I won't hold my breath.

 

[Captzaahlie]

double post....
(a slow server I guess)

 

[charlie2]

Thanks Charlie,

I was hoping for larger numbers to cover some of my friends on the east side. It's amazing airways is going to have to retrain a bunch of dudes to cover the 190 flying. I jump seated with the number 2 190 Fo in CLT the other day and he's slated to be let go in the first wave. I guess he has an extra 3 months now.....
Unfortunately it might make him crazy because he had a non flying job lined up that he can't postpone. Sounded like management was going to work with him but ya never know.....

My guess it costs about 40k to train a pilot at airways from start to finishing OE. To get rid of this many pilots that you just trained only to retrain a bunch to fill the seats is like burning about 7 mill. This really sucks.

 

[Captzaahlie]

My guess it costs about 40k to train a pilot at airways from start to finishing OE. To get rid of this many pilots that you just trained only to retrain a bunch to fill the seats is like burning about 7 mill. This really sucks.

How difficult is Barista training at Starbucks? (Oh sh1t more flows to learn!) I hear they treat employees well, except for those stores they are closing.....

 

[Tweaker]

I wonder if there is a chance you guys could come East after a recall, CaptZ. That would be a sweet surprise for you all.

 

[get2flyin]

I wonder if there is a chance you guys could come East after a recall, CaptZ. That would be a sweet surprise for you all.

If that means the Easties think that the Westies are going to be pushed around by a bunch of DOH spouting D-bags, I think the surprise is going to go the other way.

...or does that mean you're sweet for the West? Ick..not how I roll. Sorry.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I wonder if there is a chance you guys could come East after a recall, CaptZ. That would be a sweet surprise for you all.

I'm not interested in living on the east coast anymore so I'll pass.....

 

[JAB31]

When does it look like the "first wave" of furloughs are expected to begin? Will they furlough all the off the street new hires (all east I think) before the west guys?

 

[Captzaahlie]

When does it look like the "first wave" of furloughs are expected to begin? Will they furlough all the off the street new hires (all east I think) before the west guys?

They are treating both groups separately. Starting in Sept. Letting groups of 10 go every month until 125 are gone on the East and 175 from out West.

 

[Bringupthebird]

They are treating both groups separately. Starting in Sept. Letting groups of 10 go every month until 125 are gone on the East and 175 from out West.

I thought it was more random and sporadic than that. Some months would have no furloughs, while others had more than 10, in order to make it through the holidays (regardless of how the furloughs affect the holidays of those being furloughed )

 

[Captzaahlie]

I thought it was more random and sporadic than that. Some months would have no furloughs, while others had more than 10, in order to make it through the holidays (regardless of how the furloughs affect the holidays of those being furloughed )

Hope you are right and I am wrong, just a few extra months into the new year would be a big help for me....

 

[Soulfly]

The way it looks, new hires on the East side will be working whilst 5 years AWA guys and gals will be on the streets. This is funny........

 

[Captzaahlie]

I guess the East/West pooh flinging contest has now officially begun. I have to give everyone credit for at least making it through a full page of posts with out the b1tch bites at one another. I really didn't think that was possible........
:beer:

"Almost bored and on reserve, it don't take too much to impress me!"

 

[General Lee]

Since you guys never merged the seniority lists OFFICIALLY, and the West side is pretty much closing the LAS base, it seems logical, even though it is unfortunate. What do you do when one side closes one of it's larger bases?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Captzaahlie]

Since you guys never merged the seniority lists OFFICIALLY, and the West side is pretty much closing the LAS base, it seems logical, even though it is unfortunate. What do you do when one side closes one of it's larger bases?


Bye Bye--General Lee

LAS hasn't officially closed but I assume the LAS guys will be pushed into the PHX base. Upper mismanagement seems pretty set about keeping the two sides completely separate until things are settled. (and that could be forever based on some of the attitudes on both sides).

 

[fly-by-wire]

Was surprised when the bid came out that there were no reductions in LAS, in fact there are eight A320 FO vacancies.

ALL of the reductions are in PHX and we are still projecting the same number of lines in LAS thru AUG of 09

So much for the long rumored closing of the LAS base.....

 

[Captzaahlie]

so there you got it about LAS......

I didn't pay much attention to much else, only noticed my name on the furlough page.....

 

[TWA Dude]

Since you guys never merged the seniority lists OFFICIALLY, and the West side is pretty much closing the LAS base, it seems logical, even though it is unfortunate.

That's a true statement but it's complicated by the Transition Agreement which states (in summary) that the newhires since the merger are junior to everybody else. Depending on how the LOA situation goes it's possible East newhires could keep their job while more senior Westies get furloughed. That's a clear violation and one we can count on AL-SAPA to ignore -- to their peril.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

That's a true statement but it's complicated by the Transition Agreement which states (in summary) that the newhires since the merger are junior to everybody else. Depending on how the LOA situation goes it's possible East newhires could keep their job while more senior Westies get furloughed. That's a clear violation and one we can count on AL-SAPA to ignore -- to their peril.

Why don't you get a recall effort going? then you can get your own guys elected.

 

[OnTheDole]

the reality remains that many on the west will be furloughed out of senority order - ANY seniority order you'd like to use (NIC, LOS, DOH).

This includes org. west guys as well as east furloughed recalls that were placed on the west. Just another shining example of how USAPA pounds the DOH chest only when it works in their favor and looks the otherway when it doesn't.

 

[Full of LUV]

Not to worry...

the reality remains that many on the west will be furloughed out of senority order - ANY seniority order you'd like to use (NIC, LOS, DOH).

This includes org. west guys as well as east furloughed recalls that were placed on the west. Just another shining example of how USAPA pounds the DOH chest only when it works in their favor and looks the otherway when it doesn't.

I'm sure USAPA is busy setting up a fund to cover the COBRA payments for the upcoming furloughees, that's what quality MEC's do in a time of crisis.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Why don't you get a recall effort going? then you can get your own guys elected.

Elected? What makes you think Bradford would condone an election, much less the insurrrection of a recall? USAPA had the only vote you'll see in a very long while.

Remember USAPA said they were building "from the pilot up" which pretty much says where they consider the pilot in the pecking order.

 

[Soulfly]

Gentleman, do not forget. The USAPA self appointed leadership is there for 18 months. No elections, no representation. There are East pilots that have not paid a dime to USAPA, yet not one of them has received a bill or been sued by USAPA. We all know what this is about.

From their lawyers mouth, "Tryanny of the majority is called democracy".

It's on videotape and viewable on Youtube.

And General, do me a favor, do not comment on something you know very little of, and I will do the same. I know very little on the DL/NW situation and would never comment.

There is much more at play here than you are aware of, period end of discussion.