2-9-10 7pm: UPDATE: Delta, US Airways May Drop Planned Landing Slot Swap

[vetrider]

You are so wrong! USAPA has accomplished more than ALPA ever has! USAPA is a union by pilots for pilots, unlike Herndon who steals from pilots and delivers nothing.

Ha ha, union by pilots for pilots, good one.

 

[Minimaniac]

I'm sure that WN would be interested in acquiring some DCA and some additional LGA slots as well. I guess we'll see how bad US/DL want this deal to go through. It's not like we're going to be going head to head with either US or DL. Out of DCA we'd probably only fly to MDW and out of LGA we might add a flight to HOU or maybe DEN. So there's no reason for US or DL to be afraid of allowing us a few extra slots is there?:uzi:

Nope, no harm at all. Just like there is no harm in giving up just a little bit of scope...

Giving up a competitive advantage NEVER helps unless you are playing with friends, and there are no friends in business.

 

[Furloughed80]

Divesting slots at DCA and LGA to carriers such as AirTran, JetBlue, and Southwest would hurt yields for both Delta and US Airways. This slot swap deal just isn't worth it with the DOT slot divestiture requirement.

 

[Grandpa +65]

I'm sure that WN would be interested in acquiring some DCA and some additional LGA slots as well. I guess we'll see how bad US/DL want this deal to go through. It's not like we're going to be going head to head with either US or DL. Out of DCA we'd probably only fly to MDW and out of LGA we might add a flight to HOU or maybe DEN. So there's no reason for US or DL to be afraid of allowing us a few extra slots is there?:uzi:

So there's no reason for US or DL to be afraid of allowing us a few extra slots is there? YEAAAH,Riiiight, SW always goes after US or DL as a small littler sheep before turning into a Wolf.:beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Lee, remove your self from a delta bias for a sec. With a huge foot print in JFK and a two terminal LGA monopoly...did you really expect it to be approved as is? of course not. I'm sure your exec's didn't either, now they have a position to bargain/work from. Think of it logically.

The problem here is very big and unprecedented.

One again the government is trying to pick winners and losers. It never does a good job of that.

Furthermore, Delta and US Air acquired those slots in a slot auction. They are their property. We are not acquiring a airline. We are swapping assets. We are not merging. This is not about anti-trust as you would have if say DAL and CAL merged and we would be required to relinquish slots in the NYC area for anti-trust issues. This is two airlines swapping property.

Getting in the business of telling airlines what they can do and how and what they have to sell is bad business. I think that these two Congressmen behind this scam will be outed. It is politics usual, but totally unacceptable.

Well DAL settele? More than likely not. They are quite irritated. This deal does make DAL the leader in NYC, but it by no means throws out the competition.

If the government wants to be involved they need to regulate the industry completely. If they do not want to regulate it, then the need to stay out and lest the airlines self rationalize. This half baked crud needs to stop. It is why we are where we are as an industry 30 years after deregulation.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I'm all for allowing WN the opportunity to bid for some LGA and Especially some DCA slots. It won't hurt anybody. Remember, the government won't let any legacy carrier fail....

The key word is BID

Demanding parties sell slots immediately alters the competitiveness of the sale. For starters two of the most interested parties will not be involved. Secondly, the prices will be lower just on the simple fact that most will bid low knowing they have to be sold.

If they want to offer slots to AAI and LUV they need to take a slot away from each carrier and make those airlines pay top bid price plus inflation from the last bid price. Maybe they need to pay three years of lost revenue off that slot as well.

 

[AnimalTale]

The key word is BID

Demanding parties sell slots immediately alters the competitiveness of the sale. For starters two of the most interested parties will not be involved. Secondly, the prices will be lower just on the simple fact that most will bid low knowing they have to be sold.

If they want to offer slots to AAI and LUV they need to take a slot away from each carrier and make those airlines pay top bid price plus inflation from the last bid price. Maybe they need to pay three years of lost revenue off that slot as well.

Someone in this government needs to read "Atlas Shrugged"..OOps I forget, they dont have time to read 1000+ pages..

The gov't needs to BUTT-OUT! (Pan-Am)

CYA

 

[i fly boxes]

If I were Delta I would just announce that because of the decision of the Gov. We had to rethink our strategy going forward and we have decided to pull out of JFK, MEM, and CVG effective in 6 months, let all those towns get freaked out and complain to the gov in the next month to change their minds.

 

[johnsonrod]

If I were Delta I would just announce that because of the decision of the Gov. We had to rethink our strategy going forward and we have decided to pull out of JFK, MEM, and CVG effective in 6 months, let all those towns get freaked out and complain to the gov in the next month to change their minds.

I bet USAIr will announce the dropping of all the smaller cities they fly to from LGA, and see how that goes over. They already dropped the LGA crew base, too. Sen. Schumer will have to eat that.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

See if they drop cities he wins as they will just try to allocate slots and not auction them off.

I see a nice little fight brewing. Never good when big companies are very silent on an issue. They never just shrug their shoulders and say "Oh well."

 

[fflyerworld]

So there's no reason for US or DL to be afraid of allowing us a few extra slots is there? YEAAAH,Riiiight, SW always goes after US or DL as a small littler sheep before turning into a Wolf.

Yeah right! Just like you are doing in SLC now!!!!

 

[82spukram]

Maybe that too, but Jet Blue is on record as wanting in to DCA. This smells of it.

I work for JetBlue and we barely can keep the airline flying during an irop and one thinks that we have that much pull to get someone to force Delta and USAir to give up slots to us........I do not know what you are smelling but it is not blue juice.

 

[Citjok]

I bet USAIr will announce the dropping of all the smaller cities they fly to from LGA, and see how that goes over. They already dropped the LGA crew base, too. Sen. Schumer will have to eat that.

LCC mngtm said yesterday they have no intention of reducing mainline flying out of LGA , even with the closure of the LGA crew base. But nothing was said about the regional flying.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I work for JetBlue and we barely can keep the airline flying during an irop and one thinks that we have that much pull to get someone to force Delta and USAir to give up slots to us........I do not know what you are smelling but it is not blue juice.

It has nothing to do with your operation. It has to do with the Senator that got you your initial slots and his desire to get you more. If you think they are not pulling for you, you need to dig a little deeper.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

As an example of how absurd this is:

ACL and I own some 1 bedroom units in a condo building on the 3rd and 5th floors. The market is much better for 2br units, so ACL and I decide we're going to swap units so that each one of our units are next to each other, and we can knock some walls down to make a bigger unit. The condo board is fine with all this.

Then the city housing authority, which really has no business in this, comes in and says: "no, no, for us to approve this, you each need to give up a unit so we can build a halfway house in units you gave up".

If I were LCC and DAL, I'd go tell them to piss up a rope also.

Nu