1261 days to go!

[SIG600]

Just flew with a guy who is 61. Full NAVY Pension, and has 20+ years at UAL, not ONE ounce of care about the 100's soon to be 1000's we have on Furlough!

THEY DON'T CARE! PIGS TO THE TROUGH!

OINK OINK OINK!

No Country For Old Men...GET THE F UCK OUT OF MY SEAT!

Wow. The sense of entitlement out of you jackasses is amazing. "Hurry up and quit so I can have your job." Are you listening to what you're saying? If you're so worried about the guys behind you on the street, why don't you quit? For that matter, when you hit 60 you better damn sure retire after statements like that.

Guys at age 60-65 that have any seniority right now are dealing with lost pensions that were promised to them, that they invested into, and were depending on. Mostly lost by poor management, coupled with making as little as 40% of what they were 8-10 years ago. Before you could probably do more than occupy space and MAYBE sling the gear. 65 for them, means a few more years to recoup some loss. 65 for you mean another 5 years to fatten your retirement. For fvcks sake get over it already.

 

[California]

A friendly reminder to those working towards retirement, on furlough, getting off reserve, getting hired, and negotiating contracts. 1261 days until mandatory retirement becomes effective again!

1261 more days of surfing, working at the ski area, and hitting on women with good jobs.

 

[Smarta$$]

You want to see us get screwed even worse? Imagine if they repeal 65 a couple years from now. Ouch.

 

[BSkin]

Wow. The sense of entitlement out of you jackasses is amazing. "Hurry up and quit so I can have your job." Are you listening to what you're saying? If you're so worried about the guys behind you on the street, why don't you quit? For that matter, when you hit 60 you better damn sure retire after statements like that.

Guys at age 60-65 that have any seniority right now are dealing with lost pensions that were promised to them, that they invested into, and were depending on. Mostly lost by poor management, coupled with making as little as 40% of what they were 8-10 years ago. Before you could probably do more than occupy space and MAYBE sling the gear. 65 for them, means a few more years to recoup some loss. 65 for you mean another 5 years to fatten your retirement. For fvcks sake get over it already.

So the rest of the industry (YOUNGER pilots) have to pay for this misfortune? Get off your 55-62 year old high-horse and realize there's good reason for people to be pissed!

I agree with an earlier post, if they did it right, it would've been somehow grandfathered-in. Overnight 60-65 screwed thousands and thousands! Shouldn't have been done at all!

 

[BSkin]

Not to say it doesn't suck for all those guys that thought they had it all and lost most!

 

[SIG600]

So the rest of the industry (YOUNGER pilots) have to pay for this misfortune? Get off your 55-62 year old high-horse and realize there's good reason for people to be pissed!

I agree with an earlier post, if they did it right, it would've been somehow grandfathered-in. Overnight 60-65 screwed thousands and thousands! Shouldn't have been done at all!

How exactly are you paying for it? As near as I can tell, you've got another 5 years you get to work, with which to make MORE money. Plus you won't be spending those five years trying to recoup your nest egg.

And my high horse is only 30. I actually left the 121 world to go Mil.

Oh, Go Gators!

 

[PCL_128]

Did it ever occur to you that many of us don't want to work that extra five years, but now we have to if we want to get the same number of years in the left seat that we would have gotten if the retirement age hadn't changed?

 

[BSkin]

How exactly are you paying for it? As near as I can tell, you've got another 5 years you get to work, with which to make MORE money. Plus you won't be spending those five years trying to recoup your nest egg.

And my high horse is only 30. I actually left the 121 world to go Mil.

Oh, Go Gators!

Go Gators!

I left mil to go 121, at times I wish I hadn't. If your 30, and was still in this 121 $hithole as it is right now, you'd understand. 5 years of expected retiring gone thus, hardly any upgrades (regionals aside) and people getting furloughed who wouldn't have been with age 60. That is the point. Many people are happy about 65, many,many more are unhappy! If you have a good gig in the MIL, stay, stay, stay!

 

[slapstick]

Go Gators!

I left mil to go 121, at times I wish I hadn't. If your 30, and was still in this 121 $hithole as it is right now, you'd understand. 5 years of expected retiring gone thus, hardly any upgrades (regionals aside) and people getting furloughed who wouldn't have been with age 60. That is the point. Many people are happy about 65, many,many more are unhappy! If you have a good gig in the MIL, stay, stay, stay!

...or come to the 121 world and then brag about how you're immediately going out on Mil Leave and hence avoiding all the worst years as a junior F/O!

 

[Whataburger]

1259!

 

[Flopgut]

Wow. The sense of entitlement out of you jackasses is amazing.

Examine the sense of entitlement closer.

Prater made this [65] happen when/how he wanted. Career expectations are a very real ingredient in situations where seniority is in flux and not something to be ignored. Could Prater have shown more regard for career expectations in the age 65 effort? Did that even cross his mind? Well, look what he did with USAir and America West. He not only wiped his a$$ with career expectations, he threw arbitration under the bus as well.

There is a pattern here and it stinks of entitlement on the part of Prater.

Edit: Prater touched on career expectations about the time he was misleading us with the Blue Ribbon Panel. He claimed the change would include a substantive effort to keep 60 as normal retirement. Of course, that was a fabrication and he's had that scrubbed from the web site.

 

[AA717driver]

ALPA didn't want the spectacle of a steady stream of retirees with no pensions pushing carts at Wal-Mart shoppers.

Bad press for an already weak brand.

TC

P.S.--I hope the airlines that supported this choke on all the over-60 guys who are out sick burning up their sick bank.

 

[NavinRJohnson]

Seems to me that anyone that's been in this job for 20+ years should know better than to count on a pension or even a full career at one carrier for that matter.

The bottom line is most of these senior pilots were like the rest of America--saving nothing. Now it's come to bite them in the a$$ and this bit of legislation has come to bail them out. It truly is a bailout plan for the senior pilots that weren't fiscally responsible. Generation X, Y and millennium groups will pay for it by having to work to 65 also.

I know it sucks to have your investments go down so much with the crash, but these people should have been allocating their money to much safer assets as they approached age 60. So no excuses there either.

If you ask me who the entitlement generation is, it's the baby boomers who have lived (and spent their way) through the greatest economic boom this country has seen and have little to show for it.

I really don't see much of a silver lining except for those already at the top. And yes, my financial plan is still to retire at 60. Upgrade or not, I want to enjoy life after working on these slave ships--not die at the oars like so many are bound to do. Good luck with that.

Strangely I feel better now. I vented a little.

PS I actually do like this job, just need some better work rules--hence the slave ship metaphor at the end.

 

[Whataburger]

Seems to me that anyone that's been in this job for 20+ years should know better than to count on a pension or even a full career at one carrier for that matter.

The bottom line is most of these senior pilots were like the rest of America--saving nothing. Now it's come to bite them in the a$$ and this bit of legislation has come to bail them out. It truly is a bailout plan for the senior pilots that weren't fiscally responsible. Generation X, Y and millennium groups will pay for it by having to work to 65 also.

I know it sucks to have your investments go down so much with the crash, but these people should have been allocating their money to much safer assets as they approached age 60. So no excuses there either.

If you ask me who the entitlement generation is, it's the baby boomers who have lived (and spent their way) through the greatest economic boom this country has seen and have little to show for it.

I really don't see much of a silver lining except for those already at the top. And yes, my financial plan is still to retire at 60. Upgrade or not, I want to enjoy life after working on these slave ships--not die at the oars like so many are bound to do. Good luck with that.

Strangely I feel better now. I vented a little.

PS I actually do like this job, just need some better work rules--hence the slave ship metaphor at the end.

Bueno!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially the part about spending their way thru the biggest economic boom the country's ever seen.

 

[list2002]

"If you ask me who the entitlement generation is, it's the baby boomers who have lived (and spent their way) through the greatest economic boom this country has seen and have little to show for it."

Ed-Zacharay.

The most bitter and "betrayed" guys in my crash pad can in the same breath wax on about their cars, boats, airplanes and second homes...