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Missed it by that much!! 9 minutes, lol.
 
OK, I'm pissed. I have written the mods, I have asked all of you, but DAMMIT, I CANT SEE ANY AVATARS ANYMORE AND I WANNA KNOW WHY? PLEASE HELP. THIS PLACE SUX WITHOUT AVATARS.
 
BPapa - sorry, not usually up that late. Too much interesting stuff to read.
Bake - I can see your avatar, so I'm pretty happy! :) yours too Bpapa!
 
Desert Duck :beer:

Bake, I see the chica, lookin very fine I must say...
 
Found this on page 2!!!!!!!!!:(
That ain't right.

The GeezerMeter is not just a thread to update at midnight!!!!

I understand there are more things going on in life. Like: Pooping on a freighter, AirTran/SWA stuff, UAL getting fancy Ipads, Delta farming out MORE flying, etc. BUT, keep your on the ball.

GeezerMeter: It is a lifestyle. :D

It is 24 hour dedication for 478 more days.:uzi:
 
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One thing that the geezometer doesn't factor in is sick leave. I just went to a UAL message board and found these exchanges:

"Talking to some guys I know on the 400, I don't think United is going to have a "too many pilots" problem in the near future."

"If you had 700-900 hrs of SL, only a year left, and needed a new knee, hip, whatever, what would you do?"

It souds like the airlines had better prepare for sick leave/retirements to pick up starting next spring.
 
Andy said:
One thing that the geezometer doesn't factor in is sick leave. I just went to a UAL message board and found these exchanges:

"Talking to some guys I know on the 400, I don't think United is going to have a "too many pilots" problem in the near future."

"If you had 700-900 hrs of SL, only a year left, and needed a new knee, hip, whatever, what would you do?"

It souds like the airlines had better prepare for sick leave/retirements to pick up starting next spring.
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Agreed. Having had their pensions trashed there is little incentive to leave anything behind, such as unused sick leave. Leaving medical issues until after retirement and using Medicare means your choice of medical professionals is restricted. I would agree that senior pilots retirements - or, more accurately, at least absence from the flight line - will rise throughout 2012 as the first year beneficiaries of the rule change turn 64.
 
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Andy, I agree. It has been a discussion at SWA too. Our pilots have been wanting options for the 1600 sickbank TFP that are left on the table upon retirement.

Welcome to the 'Meter.

One small thing:

In the GeezerMeter By-Laws, Page 376, Article 56, sub-part (a) states that: All GeezerMeter updates should be posted at "12:00am or later Central time."

WB
 
Whataburger said:
Welcome to the 'Meter.

One small thing:

In the GeezerMeter By-Laws, Page 376, Article 56, sub-part (a) states that: All GeezerMeter updates should be posted at "12:00am or later Central time."

WB
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DOH! My bad. My first time posting the change; here I am in AZ which is essentially PDT until daylight savings goes away and we go back to Mountain Time.
I thought that I was being clever by setting my FI time zone to EDT and posting right after midnite.

Well, I guess that'll be the last time I beat one of you guys; you're way quicker than me.

... if you've got guys at 1600 hrs sickbank, they need to start going out on medical pretty soon to burn it all up. GLTA
 
You really have to be an early bird to catch up with Whataburger on the Geezermeter! I'm 15 minutes late, and thousands of dollars short
 
Whataburger said:
Andy, I agree. It has been a discussion at SWA too. Our pilots have been wanting options for the 1600 sickbank TFP that are left on the table upon retirement.

Welcome to the 'Meter.

One small thing:

In the GeezerMeter By-Laws, Page 376, Article 56, sub-part (a) states that: All GeezerMeter updates should be posted at "12:00am or later Central time."

WB
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Wouldn't be easier to make it 12am eastern so I can get to bed earlier? I need my beauty sleep... (I really do)
 
"Wouldn't be easier to make it 12am eastern..?"

"If it was up to me, I would make it 12am GMT."

"International dateline would be better."

Which time zone does the FAA use to determine that a pilot has reached age 65? For accuracy, the geezermeter should be synchronized to that one. ;)
 
I love this thread! The East/West fighting about US Airway's always seemed to dominate this site. Now, with the Airtran/Southwest combination, anything dealing with US Airways is usually 2 or 3 pages deep... (not a bad thing)... But through it all, this thread remained on page one without the political fights... best thread ever IMHO... :)
 
I understand the US was just trying to align with the rest of the world (ICAO), so now it's done. I highly doubt it will be raised again unless some miracle cure for aging of the mind and body occurs. Yep, it screwed all us younger people for awhile, but things ARE starting to move again, so I think we're just going to have to live with 65; a lot of people aren't planning on working that long anyway so it's not like it will be everyone anyway.
 
a lot of people aren't planning on working that long anyway so it's not like it will be everyone anyway
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Oh really? That's not what we're seeing at Southwest. They're all staying. The only ones going out are being dragged off property due to medical problems (kicking and screaming, leaving fingernail marks in the flooring).

I was in the OAK crew lounge a couple of months ago doing some ground time. It was early afternoon and quiet. I could hear one of the assistant chiefs on the phone with one of our old guys talking about his medical condition. It was a weird sounding conversation because I was only hearing one side of it, but the old cappy was obviously seriously bent out of shape about having been told he was a medical-out. It sounded like he was borderline irrational and expected the OAK cheifs to work some sort of magic for him.

Guys leaving before the 364th day of their 64th year? Yeah, right.
 
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Oh really? That's not what we're seeing at Southwest. They're all staying. The only ones going out are being dragged off property due to medical problems (kicking and screaming, leaving fingernail marks in the flooring).

I was in the OAK crew lounge a couple of months ago doing some ground time. It was early afternoon and quiet. I could hear one of the assistant chiefs on the phone with one of our old guys talking about his medical condition. It was a weird sounding conversation because I was only hearing one side of it, but the old cappy was obviously seriously bent out of shape about having been told he was a medical-out. It sounded like he was borderline irrational and expected the OAK cheifs to work some sort of magic for him.

Guys leaving before the 364th day of their 64th year? Yeah, right.
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UAL's SSC (system scheduling committee) posts monthly reports on multiple scheduling aspects of UAL. One of the pages involves numbers of pilots on property and off property, broken down into several subheadings. One of those subheadings is retirement, broken into early and normal (I chuckle at the 'normal' column as that is now 65).
Prior to the change, UAL had 25-30 retirements per month. Over the last year, the number of 'early' retirements has fluctuated between 0-3 per month with an average of less than 1 per month (a lot of zero 'early' retirement months).

My guess that those 'early' retirements also left fingernail marks on the floor of flight ops.

Apl said:
I understand the US was just trying to align with the rest of the world (ICAO), so now it's done. I highly doubt it will be raised again unless some miracle cure for aging of the mind and body occurs. Yep, it screwed all us younger people for awhile, but things ARE starting to move again, so I think we're just going to have to live with 65; a lot of people aren't planning on working that long anyway so it's not like it will be everyone anyway.
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I highly doubt that it'll stay 65. ICAO's still 65; when they move it higher, expect a big push to move it higher here in the US. I expect to see it changed to no less than 67 before 2020. I don't want it; it's just likely to happen.

My personal take is that there's a finite number of years that they can raise retirement age and maintain a reasonable level of safety. Hopefully they will do a phased in age increase of something like 1 month increase each quarter ... 4 month increase each year. That would mitigate some of the negative impact of an age change and allow them to reach a maximum 'safe' age because getting your medical renewed is a joke.

Or maybe a lot of those people who were indifferent to the age change last time will fight it tooth and nail next time? Nah, I'm dreaming.
 

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