126 day left of Prater.....

[PCL_128]

Most of Paul's time is spent in downtown DC, so I wouldn't expect him to have a place out by Herndon. Only Captain Couette spends most of his time in Herndon. The other National Officers are usually working at the downtown office. I'm not aware of there being any dividing distance in the compensation resolution that changes officer housing allowances, anyway.

Perhaps you should be more concerned with who is best qualified for the job rather than worrying about what someone's housing allowance is. The last guy who spent all of his time talking about taking less money and remaining flight current did neither of those things and ended up being the guy you despise and are trying to get rid of. Don't you think that experience and knowledge might be something we should value this time around? We tried the new guy who was the "outsider," and that didn't exactly turn out well. You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results....

 

[vetrider]

Hate to pile on but I was visiting back home a couple of weeks ago where Prater just happens to be from. I noticed he wrote a letter to the newspaper praising a state law maker, Jay Hoffman, about something he had done (can't even remember what) but it was somehow related to the biz and Prater signed it as President of ALPA. That's all good and well but Hoffman was former IL guv and all around corrupt thug politician Rod Blagojevich's "right hand man". You will know them by the company they keep.

After he gets the boot, he should retire and hire on at usapa. That kind of stuff is welcomed there.

 

[Flopgut]

Most of Paul's time is spent in downtown DC, so I wouldn't expect him to have a place out by Herndon. Only Captain Couette spends most of his time in Herndon. The other National Officers are usually working at the downtown office. I'm not aware of there being any dividing distance in the compensation resolution that changes officer housing allowances, anyway.

Perhaps you should be more concerned with who is best qualified for the job rather than worrying about what someone's housing allowance is. The last guy who spent all of his time talking about taking less money and remaining flight current did neither of those things and ended up being the guy you despise and are trying to get rid of. Don't you think that experience and knowledge might be something we should value this time around? We tried the new guy who was the "outsider," and that didn't exactly turn out well. You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results....

I'm not going to not listen to guys like you. You might be right about Paul. Again, I didn't say I disliked him. Are you saying there isn't going to be another candidate? Or at least another that can beat John? If Paul is the guy then I guess I'm on board.

 

[Sandhawk]

After he gets the boot, he should retire and hire on at usapa. That kind of stuff is welcomed there.

:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Are you saying there isn't going to be another candidate? Or at least another that can beat John? If Paul is the guy then I guess I'm on board.

Here's the way I see it shaping up:

John and Paul will start building support over the next couple of weeks. Moak (DAL) will put his feelers out at the Executive Board meeting next week to see if he has any support from other carriers. If so, he'll go to his MEC, and if he can get more than half to support him, then he'll probably throw his name in the hat. Those will probably be the top three candidates. I think the MEC Chair from FDX might run, but I don't think he has much support.

In a two-way race between Paul and John, I see Paul coming out ahead. If you throw Moak into the mix, it becomes murky as to how he would split votes, so that's a tougher call. I think Moak would be a big mistake, so I'm hoping he decides not to run. Having a Delta guy in the top spot sends the wrong message to pilots both within and outside ALPA, as it makes it look like the 12,000 pilot behemoth is in control of everything, even though that's not true under the ALPA structure. I think it would make organizing efforts very difficult, and it would turn many pilots at B-Carrier against the Association.

 

[Flopgut]

Here's the way I see it shaping up:

John and Paul will start building support over the next couple of weeks. Moak (DAL) will put his feelers out at the Executive Board meeting next week to see if he has any support from other carriers. If so, he'll go to his MEC, and if he can get more than half to support him, then he'll probably throw his name in the hat. Those will probably be the top three candidates. I think the MEC Chair from FDX might run, but I don't think he has much support.

In a two-way race between Paul and John, I see Paul coming out ahead. If you throw Moak into the mix, it becomes murky as to how he would split votes, so that's a tougher call. I think Moak would be a big mistake, so I'm hoping he decides not to run. Having a Delta guy in the top spot sends the wrong message to pilots both within and outside ALPA, as it makes it look like the 12,000 pilot behemoth is in control of everything, even though that's not true under the ALPA structure. I think it would make organizing efforts very difficult, and it would turn many pilots at B-Carrier against the Association.

Wow... Ok, I appreciate that. I think Moak has higher aspirations. Like CEO.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Here's the way I see it shaping up:

I think Moak would be a big mistake, so I'm hoping he decides not to run. Having a Delta guy in the top spot sends the wrong message to pilots both within and outside ALPA, as it makes it look like the 12,000 pilot behemoth is in control of everything, even though that's not true under the ALPA structure. I think it would make organizing efforts very difficult, and it would turn many pilots at B-Carrier against the Association.

Oh ok PCL.....you are back in the saddle with ALPA and got all the answers huh?

I am neutral on Moak, could care less if he's elected but one thing you forget, ALPA was started and has been maintained by Group A. Whether you like it or not.....You guys (AT)just came to the party, but we rented the room, set the table, made the cake, hired the band and cooked the food. The dance floor is open and you can bring your best moves.

Pretty soon the majority of dues income will come from TWO airlines. UAL and DAL. I have no qualms about the largest carrier big dog being in charge or the smallest for that matter.....but when the majority pays the bill, we should be able to exercise our leverage. Making ALPA out to be this everybody plays fair and everyone has a say is a Duane Worthless vision that you have hung your hat on, good luck with that.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Oh ok PCL.....you are back in the saddle with ALPA and got all the answers huh?

I am neutral on Moak, could care less if he's elected but one thing you forget, ALPA was started and has been maintained by Group A. Whether you like it or not.....You guys (AT)just came to the party, but we rented the room, set the table, made the cake, hired the band and cooked the food. The dance floor is open and you can bring your best moves.

Pretty soon the majority of dues income will come from TWO airlines. UAL and DAL. I have no qualms about the largest carrier big dog being in charge or the smallest for that matter.....but when the majority pays the bill, we should be able to exercise our leverage. Making ALPA out to be this everybody plays fair and everyone has a say is a Duane Worthless vision that you have hung your hat on, good luck with that.

Tyranny of the Majority?

 

[mamba20]

Good riddance you do nothing blow hard! Taking back eh? He's done NOTHING for the rank and file airline pilot.

 

[mamba20]

yawn...give me specific things he did wrong, not just generalized statements.

Age 65. . . . . . .end of argument.

 

[vetrider]

And he sat on the Nicolau decision while he formed all these comittees designed to twist west pilots' arms behind their backs. He let the Philly reps use alpa resources while they plotted and geared up their new 'union.'

 

[Carl S.]

Later Prater!!!!

 

[JetMonkey]

I'm turning this into another countdown...


1 2 2


BTW: Vetrider was dead nuts on.. No West pilot will EVER forget what he DIDN'T do that SHOUD'VE done.. He was never a leader.

 

[Hvy]

I agree! Good riddance to bad rubbish! He needs to go!

 

[zonker]

Fat f'n idiot who stabbed the majority in the back with Age 65.

Good riddance

 

[guntrain11]

Paul Rice announced his candidacy for ALPA President a couple of weeks ago. He is, without question, the best candidate for the job. He has the knowledge, experience, and temperament to lead this union back to a position of strength. Please tell your reps to cast a vote for Paul in October.

I don't think I'll be doing what you suggest.

Paul Rice is the best announced candidate. I agree with flopgut, we'd be better served by SS from FedEx, JP from CAL or LM from DAL. My guess is that one or more of them will run, and there are some other qualified folks that could throw their name in the hat. I think I'd hold my powder dry on asking my reps where to cast their vote until we see who the best candidate really is.

 

[mamba20]

All Prater has done is get fatter (if thats possible) on the backs of the rank and file REAL pilots in ALPA. Can;t wait till this fat ****************************** comes back to the line. I bet his fat ass wont even be able to put on the O2 mask.

 

[Flopgut]

What's missing from John's mantra is any sort of remorse or regret for the furloughed. I started out at CAL and I know the guy. What makes John's BS particuliarly hard to listen to is how he characterizes his own career adversities. Lorenzo offered him a better deal than he has crafted for the furloughed with 65. He struck..... But only after he made absolutely sure that there would be ALPA strike pay available for himself. He wanted to be certain ALPA would assess the membership to keep himself afloat. He could not care less about what 65 has done to junior pilots.

Hey PCL: I know it's late in the game, but as a means of ruining his re-elect effort, can we start a recall? Or maybe a vote of no confidence? Just to send him a message.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I agree with flopgut, we'd be better served by SS from FedEx,

Why?

JP from CAL

Why?

or LM from DAL.

Why?

What do these pilots bring to the table?

 

[PCL_128]

Hey PCL: I know it's late in the game, but as a means of ruining his re-elect effort, can we start a recall? Or maybe a vote of no confidence? Just to send him a message.

I wouldn't suggest doing anything like this. Captain Prater may not be a great President, but he's not a bad guy, and he doesn't deserve to have his reputation smeared. I think he's done the best he can; he's just not well suited for the position, and I don't think he ever will be. We need someone with the proper background and skills. That person is Captain Rice.

So, instead of recalls or votes of no confidence, I suggest that you just call your reps at CAL and tell them to vote for Paul. We have an election process that works quite well. No reason to humiliate the incumbent, just vote him out. Simple.