121 Outsourced Dispather

[shooter]

great, thats all we need... trying to outsource our jobs. Where is the ADF to kill this mutant creature before all our jobs are eaten by the "we can do it cheaper" machine.:angryfire

 

[RVSM]

It would be interesting to hear if the ADF has an opinion on this issue.

 

[rvsm410]

Sorry about the link....I found it on another web site as a file and copid the link here, I forgot its a password protected web site, I have it downloaded to my pc, but dont know how to upload it here...its a power point presentation..any ideas how to get it here? Cut and Paste is too big....Geez

 

[rvsm410]

If you want to read and download the presentation file, its located on this long standing Dispatch web site linked below..you will have to register to join the club and be accepted by the club owners...
I cant find this file anywhere on Jep or other internet searches....

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/airlinedispatchercentral/

 

[RVSM]

This has some serious negative consequences for existing dispatcher offices if ever gets approval. Imagine your next contract negotiation when management says Jepp will do the job for X, you guys are going to have to take to a paycut to Y otherwise we are going to go with Jepp for our OC needs.
Better yet 5 years down the road after they outsource our jobs to JEPP they decide that haji in India can do the job for Z and they outsource the outsourcing!
This is not good for our industry

 

[rvsm410]

Just a quick note, I understand the concern: But When we came up with this plan in 2001, our business model was amied directed at 135 operations with VIP corporate jet customers, different than fracs...somewhere in between 135 with a 121 flair that added operational control via a contract between us and the customers.

As to the 121 side of things, I doubt this is going to move very fast, maybe 3 years, but when it does, I would think that your unions should be addressing this in new contracts negociations, whereby lests say the current company dispatchers get priority hiring at Jep for there respective airlines on work that Jep takes on.
Just an Idea, be proactive in this approach and attack this problem before it bits everyone in the Arse...

We all know the direction of the industry is to do it cheaper faster bla bla bla....and if management has anything to say about it, and they do, out- sourcing an entire department for less dollars will be looked at hard...this is not to say that dispatchers working at Jep will be be making less, they might even make more than they do now, I would hope so..that should be worked into the union agreements as well.., flight benefits etc....

JMHO....Good luck..

 

[shooter]

, I would think that your unions should be addressing this in new contracts negociations, whereby lests say the current company dispatchers get priority hiring at Jep for there respective airlines on work that Jep takes on.
Just an Idea, be proactive in this approach and attack this problem before it bits everyone in the Arse...

contract dont mean squat when you are out the door. look at the NW mech's. There is no way a union contract will prevent it from happening if the company wants it in. The union AND its members will be out on the street.

This thing needs to die on the vine and fast.

and RVSM is right...just a matter of time before Apu is working the flights.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Just a quick note, I understand the concern: But When we came up with this plan in 2001, our business model was amied directed at 135 operations with VIP corporate jet customers, different than fracs...somewhere in between 135 with a 121 flair that added operational control via a contract between us and the customers.

As to the 121 side of things, I doubt this is going to move very fast, maybe 3 years, but when it does, I would think that your unions should be addressing this in new contracts negociations, whereby lests say the current company dispatchers get priority hiring at Jep for there respective airlines on work that Jep takes on.
Just an Idea, be proactive in this approach and attack this problem before it bits everyone in the Arse...

We all know the direction of the industry is to do it cheaper faster bla bla bla....and if management has anything to say about it, and they do, out- sourcing an entire department for less dollars will be looked at hard...this is not to say that dispatchers working at Jep will be be making less, they might even make more than they do now, I would hope so..that should be worked into the union agreements as well.., flight benefits etc....

JMHO....Good luck..

Hope you are proud of your work to bring the industry down....

 

[RVSM]

I think the idea of bringing 121 dispatch standards into 135 / corporate operations was a good idea. Unfortunately now someone thinks they see a short term profit generating tool in the 121 operations that will in the long term hurt our industry. If these changes are approved and the FAA allows contract Domestic and Flag dispatching the only thing that might keep them from raiding existing 121 dispatch operations would be if the Jepp guys unionize.

Another thought occurs to me, If this goes through JEPP has a ready trained pool of scab workers ready to go should any union think self help is a serious option.

 

[rvsm410]

Just as expected from you Homer

You sure are consistant....You really think I set out in 2001 to ruin the dispatch industry? Jerk , I wrote how things went down then exactly....further, with all the outsourcing going on everywhere, do you really think this idea would have stayed under the radar..Oh please...replacing dispatchers is not a new idea, for that matter, replacing anything with cheaper costs is the standard, right, wrong or indifferent...

But Homer, I have to say, since you have been so totaly obtuse with me and the opinions of others here for years... it would be a pleasure to see your a$$ replaced at Skywest with some young kid out of school working for Jeppesen..if it happens, so be it for you pal...

I don't have a dog in this hunt anymore, I am not in dispatch, not working for any airline, dont intend to return, I'm doing just fine down here charter fishing now for 2 +years. I only posted at the request from a buddy that is still dispatching armed with this news from Jeppesen, he knew of my efforts in 2001 and asked if I would comment here as INFORMATION TO HELP as he is concerned as well.

BUT NOOOO, Homer to the rescue, you probabaly have the same attitude there at work as you regularly express here, I'm sure your loved.. and you must be proud!
Since you adopted the name I sarcasticly gave you years ago "gods gift to dispatch" you should include that you are truly "THE embarrassment of the profession"

Good luck to those here that can see past this tired old BS between homer and I. I could never get a word in edgewise with out his attacks, Pathic.

I hope the dispatchers can work this out possibly together and if nothing else, participate in molding the outcome of this plan or head if off at the pass completly, somehow. I have a deep respect for the dispatch profession, I still feel you guys/gals are the unsung hero's of the airline industry, I thought it better to have a warning of the comming storm and prepare, than to get blind sided and unable to effect any impact....

I am out of here....GL

 

[homerjdispatch]

You sure are consistant....You really think I set out in 2001 to ruin the dispatch industry? Jerk , I wrote how things went down then exactly....further, with all the outsourcing going on everywhere, do you really think this idea would have stayed under the radar..Oh please...replacing dispatchers is not a new idea, for that matter, replacing anything with cheaper costs is the standard, right, wrong or indifferent...

But Homer, I have to say, since you have been so totaly obtuse with me and the opinions of others here for years... it would be a pleasure to see your a$$ replaced at Skywest with some young kid out of school working for Jeppesen..if it happens, so be it for you pal...

I don't have a dog in this hunt anymore, I am not in dispatch, not working for any airline, dont intend to return, I'm doing just fine down here charter fishing now for 2 +years. I only posted at the request from a buddy that is still dispatching armed with this news from Jeppesen, he knew of my efforts in 2001 and asked if I would comment here as INFORMATION TO HELP as he is concerned as well.

BUT NOOOO, Homer to the rescue, you probabaly have the same attitude there at work as you regularly express here, I'm sure your loved.. and you must be proud!
Since you adopted the name I sarcasticly gave you years ago "gods gift to dispatch" you should include that you are truly "THE embarrassment of the profession"

Good luck to those here that can see past this tired old BS between homer and I. I could never get a word in edgewise with out his attacks, Pathic.

I hope the dispatchers can work this out possibly together and if nothing else, participate in molding the outcome of this plan or head if off at the pass completly, somehow. I have a deep respect for the dispatch profession, I still feel you guys/gals are the unsung hero's of the airline industry, I thought it better to have a warning of the comming storm and prepare, than to get blind sided and unable to effect any impact....

I am out of here....GL

WOW, did you forget to take your meds today?

Just because you got screwed by the industry, dont take it out on others. I mearly stated a fact. Your little outsourcing idea steals jobs from current dispatchers and replaces them with less qualified workers (i say this because if the replacements were more qualified they should have got a job by now).

 

[XPOO]

RVSM - The Used Car Salesman of the Professional Dispatch World

 

[rvsm410]

ASSumptions again...

WOW, did you forget to take your meds today?

Just because you got screwed by the industry, dont take it out on others. I mearly stated a fact. Your little outsourcing idea steals jobs from current dispatchers and replaces them with less qualified workers (i say this because if the replacements were more qualified they should have got a job by now).

At least my meds are legal....and the only screwing I got with any airline was by you at Skywest in 2003 by blackballing me with Little Dara before I had a chance...

So let me get this right...you think I was the only one capable of thinking of this idea? You must be on good drugs!

In 2001 alot of dispatchers were out of work and Fractional flying was taking off..our mission was to bring a higher level of safety to the corporate community, in peticular the VIP jet Owners, and possibly supplemental airlines which you may not realize are not required to have dispatchers, but flight followers....we NEVER intended to focus our work at Domestic or Flag 121 operations and never did....this is TOTALLY Jeppesen's idea in 2007....

As to your final ASSumptions..as usual, the world according to Homer, your views are so narrow, tunnel vision... But go ahead, lead the others off the cliff with your thinking, it has to be right..afterall you are "gods gift"

• Ever thought of the fact that many dispatchers, me included, dont wish to work for the sorry wages and all the other BS that comes with working for airlines anymore..since 911?
• Ever think that many people might have roots and families with careers located around the country where they use to be able to commute to/from, but now find it almost impossible...?
• Ever think about stepping out of your so called safety net of mother airline and working for yourself...?

I did not think so...that would be way to risky for soemone of your caliber...There are many well qualified dispatchers out here that are not looking for an airline job anymore...

As to the quality of the so called replacement dispatcher you speak of..just another stupid assumtion...Jep already requires their current flight specialists to have a dispatch license and degrees...from what I have heard, many have alot of 121 dispatching time and wanted to work for a Solid company Like Jeppesen, which is now owned by Boeing..they dont have to Commute, they make better money than of they were able to at an airline, not Union BS, very good benefits...Normalized schedules...

You probably know the old saying: change, move or get out of the way cuz the future is going to keep changing...Just look around, its everywhere, dispatch is no different, FARs are just rules that can be changed...

I thought it was a good idea for this to be discussed now, incase someone wanted to address it in future talks with management, like I posted earlier..guess not...

Hmmm, Now that you mention it Homer, if I knew I could run you out of work by replacing Just YOU, it might be a good reason to come out of retirement..

Nah, your not worth it....

To the rest of the reasonable dispatchers...no offence, this was amied and vented towards Homer, Please take a step back and think for yourself, take all this for what it worth.. the BS aside....the theme of the posts was sincere. Good luck

 

[RVSM]

rvsm410,
Thanks GL for providing a little historical perspective and ringing the alarm bells on the real serousness of this threat for us. (remember he provided the ppt) Most of the professional unions are in NYC this week working on a counter stategy. Good fishing and following seas old man.
RVSM

 

[SKC]

Jep already requires their current flight specialists to have a dispatch license and degrees...from what I have heard

Dx certs, yes, degrees, not required.

 

[XPOO]

Hold on, let me put on my waders.

 

[acaTerry]

Ok, you are not going to believe this. My 121 company is seriously considering outsourcing all dispatching....Can they do this?

I have looked all over, but cannot find a regulatory reference that prohibits them from doing this.

Could anyone please provide any insight (preferably regulatory e.g. FAR, Legal interpratations, etc) so that I can through this on my DO's desk and laugh.


Fraternally

Hello? India?

 

[hoover]

great, thats all we need... trying to outsource our jobs. Where is the ADF to kill this mutant creature before all our jobs are eaten by the "we can do it cheaper" machine.:angryfire

So many people look at their employment with a sense of entitlement, as though it is their personal possession. I've got news for you. That job is not "yours." It belongs to the company. You have been retained to provide services for a fee. The company has no more more obligation to continue employing you, than you have to continue providing services. Just as you have the right to quit and move on, they have the right to decide your services are no longer needed. Welcome to a free market economy.

 

[CA1900]

Is it too early to repost the Continental Crew Scheduling Outsourcing clip?

 

[shooter]

So many people look at their employment with a sense of entitlement, as though it is their personal possession. I've got news for you. That job is not "yours." It belongs to the company. You have been retained to provide services for a fee. The company has no more more obligation to continue employing you, than you have to continue providing services. Just as you have the right to quit and move on, they have the right to decide your services are no longer needed. Welcome to a free market economy.

And the work ethic and dedication are not theirs, it's mine for the company. If they do not want to provide for the employee, they will not get in return. The days of the employer holding all the cards is old and out like dirt. Good employers value their employees.

Whats your point? That we will see each other in the soup line?