1108 Union Leadership Abandons Hostages

[993_Pilot]

I’m not choosing sides or trying to stir the pot. There were mistakes made by everyone and nothing is black and white.

I know Dwayne and he’s a good man. He fought the battle hard and thought he was doing it the way that 1108 wanted. Hell, he’s the father of my avatar.

There’s no question that he lost his job at FLOPS because of the position he held in the union. Whether he was betrayed or thrown under the bus, only the players involved know for sure...

No argument, I think he did everything with the best intentions, even if he was a bit over zealous in his execution. Like I said before, I don't have anything personal against him or anyone else here. However, I'm tired of those who would undermine our cause by spreading FUD and badmouthing the leaders of the 1108 and those of us who are still in the fight !

I think it’s time for everyone involved to recognize that Dwayne was a soldier for the cause, and a good one at that.

It's just too bad he still isn't. He has his opinion of the leaders of the 1108, and that's fine, he's free to voice them... just don't expect them to go unchallenged here, when other peoples opinions differ.

 

[fracjack]

No argument, I think he did everything with the best intentions, even if he was a bit over zealous in his execution. Like I said before, I don't have anything personal against him or anyone else here. However, I'm tired of those who would undermine our cause by spreading FUD and badmouthing the leaders of the 1108 and those of us who are still in the fight !



It's just too bad he still isn't. He has his opinion of the leaders of the 1108, and that's fine, he's free to voice them... just don't expect them to go unchallenged here, when other peoples opinions differ.

They are only leaders if you follow.

 

[993_Pilot]

They are only leaders if you follow.

Like Thomas Paine once said ...

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way".

Which are you going to do?

 

[fracjack]

Like Thomas Paine once said ...

"Lead, follow, or get out of the way".

Which are you going to do?

The way out of the 1108 kool-aid line is more complex then your simplistic quotation which seems quite indicative of your mental state. But so far there are 2 kool-aid lines and most in line don't know there's an option. The silent majority do. We will sit back for now and watch since there is no choice yet until this game plays out then we'll see if there is anything left.
1108 had a chance but sh*tting in their own bed doesnt promote unity.
Marty Levin should write another book based on what not to do using 1108 as an example.

 

[993_Pilot]

So far, you and Second Segment have done nothing more than spew a bunch of FUD. No logic, No sound reasoning, in fact no reasoning what so ever why an in-house would be better. Yet I (and others) have given you several why it's a bad idea. You talk big ... in very vague and general terms, but you can't deliver any valid reasoning ... just like your proposed in-house won't be able to deliver anything either! You might as well just jump on B19, Narrow Bridge and Skanza's anti-union bandwagon, because we all know that's your real agenda anyways. Will we get to see what your silent minority is made of soon?

 

[SecondSegment]

Oh Homer, I love it when you talk tough like that.

A little more viagra and testostrone and you'll sound just like Rambo.

 

[fracjack]

So far, you and Second Segment have done nothing more than spew a bunch of FUD. No logic, No sound reasoning, in fact no reasoning what so ever why an in-house would be better. Yet I (and others) have given you several why it's a bad idea. You talk big ... in very vague and general terms, but you can't deliver any valid reasoning ... just like your proposed in-house won't be able to deliver anything either! You might as well just jump on B19, Narrow Bridge and Skanza's anti-union bandwagon, because we all know that's your real agenda anyways. Will we get to see what your silent minority is made of soon?

Listen up dumb azz... I have not said anything about in house or timing of anything. The power at this point is with the 1108,the company,and mediator. IF and that's a big IF, there is a TA that will be ratified by the minority, and I'm convinced it's minority of pilots who are considered MIGS,then the action will start.
Here's another thing...I'm wasting my time on this board with all you ignorant, mouthy selfappointed experts spewing diarrhea of the mouth on bothsides. Those who reply will surely identify themselves. So unless you have something intelligent to add please just STFU.

 

[993_Pilot]

Oh Homer, I love it when you talk tough like that.

A little more viagra and testostrone and you'll sound just like Rambo.

No logic, No reasoning, just another clever response from 2nd Seg...
Well, at least we can always count on you for that.

Listen up dumb azz... I have not said anything about in house or timing of anything.

Well, actually "dumb azz", in post #124 you did say:

... most in line don't know there's an option. The silent majority do. We will sit back for now and watch since there is no choice yet until this game plays out then we'll see if there is anything left...

That "Option" wasn't speaking of an In-House or Timing?
Who's the "dumb azz" now?

The power at this point is with the 1108,the company,and mediator.

Mainly the company and the mediator, but eventually the mediator will see through the company's stall tactics and quit giving them the benefit of the doubt. When he releases us for self help, you'll quickly see that balance of power change.

IF and that's a big IF, there is a TA that will be ratified by the minority, and I'm convinced it's minority of pilots who are considered MIGS,...

Some people were convinced the world was flat too. Eventually you'll learn the truth.

...then the action will start.

Interesting timing for the "action". The way 2nd Seg mouths off, it sounded like the "action" was already starting. I guess he's all talk... but I suppose we already knew that.

Here's another thing...I'm wasting my time on this board with all you ignorant, mouthy selfappointed experts spewing diarrhea of the mouth on bothsides...

Yes, you are.

So unless you have something intelligent to add please just STFU.

I will happily STFU if you, 2nd Seg, B19, Narrow Bridge and Skanza will STFU too. How about it?

 

[SecondSegment]

Homer, You need to get a life and get away from your keyboard. The unemployment must be getting to you.

You obviously don't get it. Guys like you are not going to get it until it's a done deal. Even then you still won't get it. I'll recognize you with that "deer in the headlights look".

I'll bet you had a great "call in conference". Let me guess, Same old rhetoric. Same old "feed 'em crap and keep 'em in the dark". Suck it up buddy.

 

[993_Pilot]

Drink some more Cool-aide 2nd Seg.