1108 info request

[JustInfo]

You are probably being asked to, and don't understand it well enough to know they are asking you to.

 

[JustInfo]

Geronimo, don't lump all turboprop pilots into your group of morons. Unless you have been under a rock for the past year there is a very obvious reason why the "Big Man" lost money last year.

 

[GEXDriver]

Unless you have been under a rock for the past year there is a very obvious reason why the "Big Man" lost money last year.

Yeah, yeah, we know. Teamsters pilots grounding aircraft for asinine reasons, flying the "Pledge" and in general trying really hard to bite the hand that feeds them. Anyone who has spent anytime in an FBO in the last 18 months knows about that, but what about 2004...2003...2002?








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[Geronimo4497]

Let's Review

Sec. 135.267

Flight time limitations and rest requirements: Unscheduled one- and

(a) No certificate holder may assign any flight crewmember, and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment, for flight time as a member of a one- or two-pilot crew if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed--
(1) 500 hours in any calendar quarter.
(2) 800 hours in any two consecutive calendar quarters.
(3) 1,400 hours in any calendar year.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, during any 24 consecutive hours the total flight time of the assigned flight when added to any other commercial flying by that flight crewmember may not exceed--
(1) 8 hours for a flight crew consisting of one pilot; or
(2) 10 hours for a flight crew consisting of two pilots qualified under this Part for the operation being conducted.
(c) A flight crewmember's flight time may exceed the flight time limits of paragraph (b) of this section if the assigned flight time occurs during a regularly assigned duty period of no more than 14 hours and--
(1) If this duty period is immediately preceded by and followed by a required rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours of rest;
(2) If flight time is assigned during this period, that total flight time when added to any other commercial flying by the flight crewmember may not exceed--
(i) 8 hours for a flight crew consisting of one pilot; or
(ii) 10 hours for a flight crew consisting of two pilots; and
(3) If the combined duty and rest periods equal 24 hours.
(d) Each assignment under paragraph (b) of this section must provide for at least 10 consecutive hours of rest during the 24-hour period that precedes the planned completion time of the assignment.
(e) When a flight crewmember has exceeded the daily flight time limitations in this section, because of circumstances beyond the control of the certificate holder or flight crewmember (such as adverse weather conditions), that flight crewmember must have a rest period before being assigned or accepting an assignment for flight time of at least--
(1) 11 consecutive hours of rest if the flight time limitation is exceeded by not more than 30 minutes;
(2) 12 consecutive hours of rest if the flight time limitation is exceeded by more than 30 minutes, but not more than 60 minutes; and
(3) 16 consecutive hours of rest if the flight time limitation is exceeded by more than 60 minutes.
(f) The certificate holder must provide each flight crewmember at least 13 rest periods of at least 24 consecutive hours each in each calendar quarter.

Where does it say that I can't be called after 10 hours of rest? Not trying to be a dick here guys, sorry if it comes off that way. I always get my 10 hours rest (phone is off) and usually a lot more.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Geronimo - the regs recognize "rest" and "duty". It's one or the other and if you are required to call in or be available to take a phone call at the 10-hour mark, you've just performed company-directed work and are considered to be on duty and not in rest. The company could opt to put you back in rest but if they do, you don't get to extend upon the previous 10-hour period before the phone call because you "worked" between the rest periods.

 

[Geronimo4497]

So here is the seinerio:

Day 1 @ 22: 00z I finish the last flight of the day. I call ops and they tell me that we have a show time of 15: 00z for a 16: 00z dep. on day 2.

Now, day 2 rolls around and I get a call from ops at 12: 00z saying the pax wants to leave at 15: 00z instead of 16: 00z . So I have now got 13.5hrs between 'rest' periods.

Now you are trying to say that that is an interuption of rest? That is completely unrealistic IMO.

In reality, I usually try to call ops after 11-12hrs of rest to make sure everything is still on track, but that is just me. I can see what you guys are trying to say here, and maybe I should have been more specific in the beginning. Think what you may............

Sorry for the weird time format, makes a face otherwise.

 

[gunfyter]

Where does it say that I can't be called after 10 hours of rest? Not trying to be a dick here guys, sorry if it comes off that way. I always get my 10 hours rest (phone is off) and usually a lot more.

If you can be called YOU are NOT in rest!

Start with this

http://www.law.emory.edu/1circuit/aug99/99-1888.01a.html


[T]he FAA has consistently interpreted the term rest to mean that a flight crewmember is free from actual work from the air carrier or from present responsibility for work should the occasion arise. Thus the FAA previously has determined that a flight crewmember on reserve was not at rest if the flight crewmember had a present responsibility for work in that the flight crewmember had to be available for the carrier to notify of a flight assignment.

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You go off duty and into rest at 0100L. If you must answer the phone starting at 1100L ... YOU are no longer in rest.

If you then start flight duty at say 1500l (ACTUALLY -- NO MATTER WHEN YOU START FLIGHT DUTY) ... you must be DONE by 0100L because your rest ended at 1100L.

As far as I know NJ is the only operator obeying the rules.

 

[JustInfo]

Previous years? Three Words:

Net Jets Europe

 

[Geronimo4497]

As far as I know NJ is the only operator obeying the rules.

How about an example of how NJ is the only one obeying the rules. ie how do they get a hold of you if things change. Also, are you running off of 91K rules or 135 rules, or a mix. Thanks

 

[gunfyter]

How about an example of how NJ is the only one obeying the rules. ie how do they get a hold of you if things change. Also, are you running off of 91K rules or 135 rules, or a mix. Thanks

They DONT get a hold of you if things change. EVER. Your rest period is briefed before you go off duty. Your SHOW time is briefed.

You show at the briefed show time come hell or high water.