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SDdriver posted
"Yeah,
Do the above and see where that gets you!"
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What do you mean? Get where? To a major? To a better paying job? The fact that several of Gulfstream's pilots are at American, United, Delta, Northwest, Southwest, etc? Why would the majors hire these guys if Gulfstream is such a detestable place?
"Yeah,
Do the above and see where that gets you!"
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What do you mean? Get where? To a major? To a better paying job? The fact that several of Gulfstream's pilots are at American, United, Delta, Northwest, Southwest, etc? Why would the majors hire these guys if Gulfstream is such a detestable place?
Wow, I just waded through the posts about gulfstream.
Questions: Why are all these guys are bashing PFT? Who payed for thier CFI's and such? I'm I missing something? Looks to me like this gulfstream is a another place to train on high preformance aircraft.
All civil pilots PFT at some point in thier flight training, these gulf guys are just taking it to another level.
See what happens when you fly in 90 heat all day with stanking students in a 150. Bitterness
just kidding CFI's im not even to that point, but I did get a Multi in FLA, fuggin hot flying! I respect those DAB instructors...ouch!
Besides, at least your flying the 1900 instead of watching students fly all day and log landings. Cant tell you how bad some of the CFIs I've experienced were at handling the airplane. They could recite FARS, but would crack the landing gear in half on most landings.
Anyway, I'm glad I found this place, what a wealth of imformation.
Questions: Why are all these guys are bashing PFT? Who payed for thier CFI's and such? I'm I missing something? Looks to me like this gulfstream is a another place to train on high preformance aircraft.
All civil pilots PFT at some point in thier flight training, these gulf guys are just taking it to another level.
See what happens when you fly in 90 heat all day with stanking students in a 150. Bitterness
just kidding CFI's im not even to that point, but I did get a Multi in FLA, fuggin hot flying! I respect those DAB instructors...ouch!Besides, at least your flying the 1900 instead of watching students fly all day and log landings. Cant tell you how bad some of the CFIs I've experienced were at handling the airplane. They could recite FARS, but would crack the landing gear in half on most landings.
Anyway, I'm glad I found this place, what a wealth of imformation.
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Mac, I think you're right. You might have missed something.
Go to the Gulfstream post, and read mine.
Summary: everyone is responsible (military excepted) for their training up to the point where it is accepted practice for an employer to provide specialized training for their operation. As an airline hiree, you are a professional, and most professionals' advanced training is provided by their firm. Some "airlines" try to circumvent the professional standard by exploiting pilots. How? If a carrier wishes to have two pilots in their airplane, for whatever reason, that carrier should hire and train two pilots. If they offer a position to a pilot on the condition that he pay for his advanced training, they are taking a paid position from the pool of jobs that should be available to pilots. Lastly, PFT operations lower the professional standard of our industry to that of prostitute and pimp, and most pilots feel this is bad.
One clarification: Simcom and FlightSafety are examples of "...another place to train on high preformance aircraft".
They have no unwitting pasengers who are also paying.
A school has no passengers.
Go to the Gulfstream post, and read mine.
Summary: everyone is responsible (military excepted) for their training up to the point where it is accepted practice for an employer to provide specialized training for their operation. As an airline hiree, you are a professional, and most professionals' advanced training is provided by their firm. Some "airlines" try to circumvent the professional standard by exploiting pilots. How? If a carrier wishes to have two pilots in their airplane, for whatever reason, that carrier should hire and train two pilots. If they offer a position to a pilot on the condition that he pay for his advanced training, they are taking a paid position from the pool of jobs that should be available to pilots. Lastly, PFT operations lower the professional standard of our industry to that of prostitute and pimp, and most pilots feel this is bad.
One clarification: Simcom and FlightSafety are examples of "...another place to train on high preformance aircraft".
They have no unwitting pasengers who are also paying.
A school has no passengers.
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Hey fixin2lnd or whatever,
I have been in this industry since the early 90's and I went through the early 90's without a job, I am very proud that I am flying today and I have never I mean NEVER!!!!!! paid for training.
THat is the crap that ruined this industry from the start. IF company's know that you will pay for the right seat, then why in the hell should they pay you to sit in it?? We have to all get together and show them that we will not stand for that, when our initial training is done and we are qualified to sit in that right seat, or left seat for that matter, we should be paid for it and paid well, I mean didn't it cost enough to get the initial ratings?? Why in the world would you want to pay for 250 hours in the damm right seat logging SIC time when you can be paid??? You will never understand that if you would band together with the rest of us and force them to pay us, this wouldn't even be a problem. oh hell I am tired of waisting my breath....freaking PFT!
I have been in this industry since the early 90's and I went through the early 90's without a job, I am very proud that I am flying today and I have never I mean NEVER!!!!!! paid for training.
THat is the crap that ruined this industry from the start. IF company's know that you will pay for the right seat, then why in the hell should they pay you to sit in it?? We have to all get together and show them that we will not stand for that, when our initial training is done and we are qualified to sit in that right seat, or left seat for that matter, we should be paid for it and paid well, I mean didn't it cost enough to get the initial ratings?? Why in the world would you want to pay for 250 hours in the damm right seat logging SIC time when you can be paid??? You will never understand that if you would band together with the rest of us and force them to pay us, this wouldn't even be a problem. oh hell I am tired of waisting my breath....freaking PFT!
I understand what ya guys are saying about PFT <as an industry standard> being a detriment to the profession.
However, instead of poopin on PFT, I would like to hear recommendations for guys that have 300-400hours and all their multi-commerical ratings?
Where we supposed to work? Airnet? They're not hiring last I heard. You guys tell me, where do ya find work flying light twins? MEI'in could suck for those who dont care to teach.
Is there any other road other than Multi-engine instruction to fly light twins for anyone?
I really like the idea of working for Airnet.
Should a guy training to be a heart surgeon be pricking fingers, or would he better off working and learning around the operating table. I would think that's rather synonamous to flying 1900s for some PFT group and a guy sweating his balls off flying a 150 around the patch, training plp how to fly that pos. I'd say that flying 1900s is much better experience.
If your goal is to get to the regionals, then the ends justify the means.
If stood 2 guys side by side both 1000/100 and one had 100 in turboprops in an airline enviroment and the other had 100 in a POS dutchess, then tell me who's more qualified to fly heavy iron?
However, instead of poopin on PFT, I would like to hear recommendations for guys that have 300-400hours and all their multi-commerical ratings?
Where we supposed to work? Airnet? They're not hiring last I heard. You guys tell me, where do ya find work flying light twins? MEI'in could suck for those who dont care to teach.
Is there any other road other than Multi-engine instruction to fly light twins for anyone?
I really like the idea of working for Airnet.
Should a guy training to be a heart surgeon be pricking fingers, or would he better off working and learning around the operating table. I would think that's rather synonamous to flying 1900s for some PFT group and a guy sweating his balls off flying a 150 around the patch, training plp how to fly that pos. I'd say that flying 1900s is much better experience.
If your goal is to get to the regionals, then the ends justify the means.
If stood 2 guys side by side both 1000/100 and one had 100 in turboprops in an airline enviroment and the other had 100 in a POS dutchess, then tell me who's more qualified to fly heavy iron?
SDdriver wrote-
"Hey fixin2lnd or whatever,
I have been in this industry since the early 90's and I went through the early 90's without a job, I am very proud that I am flying today and I have never I mean NEVER!!!!!! paid for training."
--Maybe this is why you are old and still stuck flying King Airs? Wear that one to your interview at United, nobody cares.
"Hey fixin2lnd or whatever,
I have been in this industry since the early 90's and I went through the early 90's without a job, I am very proud that I am flying today and I have never I mean NEVER!!!!!! paid for training."
--Maybe this is why you are old and still stuck flying King Airs? Wear that one to your interview at United, nobody cares.
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Macfly:
"However, instead of poopin on PFT, I would like to hear recommendations for guys that have 300-400hours and all their multi-commerical ratings?
Where we supposed to work? Airnet? They're not hiring last I heard. You guys tell me, where do ya find work flying light twins? MEI'in could suck for those who dont care to teach.
Is there any other road other than Multi-engine instruction to fly light twins for anyone?"
I don't have an MEI rating, and I probably will never get one (unless some kind soul wants to buy me one). I started off instructing like most, and then I got a 135 job. Here's the key to not instructing forever: Get a 135 job flying some little single, and then move into the company's twin. I had VERY little multi time when I started 135, but its easier and better for companies to hire/promote from within. , so I moved into a Navajo. Now I fly a sweet turboprop (missed the regional hiring thing due to current events, but that's ok), and I love coming to work every day.
I also had a total BALL getting to where I am. I wouldn't have done it any other way.
The key to a happy successful career is Flexability and Patience.
Patience, Patience, Patience (buying beers for the boss helps, too).
A PFT'r may get the job, but they are going to have a lonely life in this industry. Do it the honest way my friend.
Best of luck all!
B
"However, instead of poopin on PFT, I would like to hear recommendations for guys that have 300-400hours and all their multi-commerical ratings?
Where we supposed to work? Airnet? They're not hiring last I heard. You guys tell me, where do ya find work flying light twins? MEI'in could suck for those who dont care to teach.
Is there any other road other than Multi-engine instruction to fly light twins for anyone?"
I don't have an MEI rating, and I probably will never get one (unless some kind soul wants to buy me one). I started off instructing like most, and then I got a 135 job. Here's the key to not instructing forever: Get a 135 job flying some little single, and then move into the company's twin. I had VERY little multi time when I started 135, but its easier and better for companies to hire/promote from within. , so I moved into a Navajo. Now I fly a sweet turboprop (missed the regional hiring thing due to current events, but that's ok), and I love coming to work every day.
I also had a total BALL getting to where I am. I wouldn't have done it any other way.
The key to a happy successful career is Flexability and Patience.
Patience, Patience, Patience (buying beers for the boss helps, too).
A PFT'r may get the job, but they are going to have a lonely life in this industry. Do it the honest way my friend.
Best of luck all!
B
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Down with PFT!!
Down with PFT!! Paying passengers who KNOW about it don't like it one BIT!! Pilots, That's MY "Job" as a passenger to PAY for that ticket, not yours! Please do me and other paying passengers a favor and refuse to do this gulfscab thing.
If you want to buy flight time, go rent a twin and enjoy yourself in the process. It's better for you, you get experience in the system and it's better for me, since as a passenger I want to see PFT GONE!! It's nothing but greed and money-grubbing on the part of gulfscab and the others. It's better for you to gain experience in a rented twin without inflicting your experience-building on paying passengers.
Once you gain experience by flight instructing and renting twins, and you earn your job, you will have earned the right to hear your passengers say "Thank you for the great flight"! Don't you want to know in your heart of hearts you are earning a living flying when a passenger thanks you for a good flight, that you did not have to buy that opportunity to hear a passenger thanking you for a good flight??!!
Down with PFT!! Paying passengers who KNOW about it don't like it one BIT!! Pilots, That's MY "Job" as a passenger to PAY for that ticket, not yours! Please do me and other paying passengers a favor and refuse to do this gulfscab thing.
If you want to buy flight time, go rent a twin and enjoy yourself in the process. It's better for you, you get experience in the system and it's better for me, since as a passenger I want to see PFT GONE!! It's nothing but greed and money-grubbing on the part of gulfscab and the others. It's better for you to gain experience in a rented twin without inflicting your experience-building on paying passengers.
Once you gain experience by flight instructing and renting twins, and you earn your job, you will have earned the right to hear your passengers say "Thank you for the great flight"! Don't you want to know in your heart of hearts you are earning a living flying when a passenger thanks you for a good flight, that you did not have to buy that opportunity to hear a passenger thanking you for a good flight??!!
Kilomike wrote:
"Once you gain experience by flight instructing and renting twins, and you earn your job, you will have earned the right to hear your passengers say "Thank you for the great flight"! Don't you want to know in your heart of hearts you are earning a living flying when a passenger thanks you for a good flight, that you did not have to buy that opportunity to hear a passenger thanking you for a good flight??!!"
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Earned your job? Sounds like you are spending more money renting a twin, doing touch and go's on 9R. What right? If I were you, I wouldn't buy a ticket on a major airline if you are worried if any of the 100,000+ major airline pilots PFT'd. You may have to rent your own twin or cessna to fly to Osaka next time.
Kilomike wrote:
"That's MY "Job" as a passenger to PAY for that ticket, not yours! Please do me and other paying passengers a favor and refuse to do this gulfscab thing. "
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Gulfscab? Did all of these Gulfstream pilots, who fly for American, United, Delta, Northwest, AMWest, Southwest, Continental, FEDEX, UPS, etc., scab? Did they cross a picket line? When? Tell me what a scab is, OK?
"Once you gain experience by flight instructing and renting twins, and you earn your job, you will have earned the right to hear your passengers say "Thank you for the great flight"! Don't you want to know in your heart of hearts you are earning a living flying when a passenger thanks you for a good flight, that you did not have to buy that opportunity to hear a passenger thanking you for a good flight??!!"
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Earned your job? Sounds like you are spending more money renting a twin, doing touch and go's on 9R. What right? If I were you, I wouldn't buy a ticket on a major airline if you are worried if any of the 100,000+ major airline pilots PFT'd. You may have to rent your own twin or cessna to fly to Osaka next time.
Kilomike wrote:
"That's MY "Job" as a passenger to PAY for that ticket, not yours! Please do me and other paying passengers a favor and refuse to do this gulfscab thing. "
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Gulfscab? Did all of these Gulfstream pilots, who fly for American, United, Delta, Northwest, AMWest, Southwest, Continental, FEDEX, UPS, etc., scab? Did they cross a picket line? When? Tell me what a scab is, OK?
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