10 ex freedom 900's go to asa not mesaba

[ohplease!]

heres another one from the old crystal ball.....dc9s and md88s will be parked and larger RJs will be added to DCI. Not quite up to 100 seats but really REALLY close.

some time in the not too distant future, DCI will handle all flying below 100 seats and Mama D will handle anything over 100.

Bank on it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why, ALPA doesn't make business decisions?

Another ALPA talking point....

What are scope sections? They impose business decisions on airlines....don't they?

ALPA may not make the actual business decisions...but you can't actually believe that ALPA contracts don't influence business decisions....

 

[Freight Dog]

Why, ALPA doesn't make business decisions?

Well, let's see - someone mentioned how this all went down: Mesa to Comair to Pinnacle to Mesaba to ASA.

See anything in common there, perhaps something along the lines of pilot representation?

Now... Comair was furloughing, Mesaba was hiring. Mesaba requires new hires to resign seniority from their previous airline.

What do those two airlines have in common? See anything wrong with this picture?

How many airlines are flying as Delta Connection?

Now... ALPA will tell you that there is nothing they can do about it. I tend to disagree, but then again, what do I know...

 

[zawillif]

heres another one from the old crystal ball.....dc9s and md88s will be parked and larger RJs will be added to DCI. Not quite up to 100 seats but really REALLY close.

some time in the not too distant future, DCI will handle all flying below 100 seats and Mama D will handle anything over 100.

Bank on it.

DAL pilots would have to vote and agree to this, somehow I doubt they would ever do that.

 

[outtahere]

Just like they would never vote for 76 seaters right!

 

[sweptback]

Well, let's see - someone mentioned how this all went down: Mesa to Comair to Pinnacle to Mesaba to ASA.

See anything in common there, perhaps something along the lines of pilot representation?

Now... Comair was furloughing, Mesaba was hiring. Mesaba requires new hires to resign seniority from their previous airline.

What do those two airlines have in common? See anything wrong with this picture?

How many airlines are flying as Delta Connection?

Now... ALPA will tell you that there is nothing they can do about it. I tend to disagree, but then again, what do I know...

Of those 5 airlines, the 900s only actually operated at 2 so far. And, they never would have left Freedom if their company could have operated them within the range of their DCI contract. Just because a company announces that they're getting new airplanes doesn't mean a thing, just like the old saying goes.

I don't really blame ALPA for all of this, I knew what I signed up for when I came to ASA. We're at the beck and call of Delta and the DCI network, everybody here knows this.

If the Delta pilots cared about DCI, this would get fixed. But they don't, so they gladly have 7+ carriers operate Delta passengers on former Delta routes so they can keep their widebody pay high.

I don't think anybody would doubt that Delta management's wet dream is to have a ton of contractors all fighting for their piece of the DL code pie. Every time the Delta pilots have drawn their line in the sand (turboprops, then 50 seats, then 70 seats, then 76 seats) it's ended up moving once they get close to the scope limit. At what point is the DAL MEC going to stand up and say, no more?

 

[ohplease!]

DAL pilots would have to vote and agree to this, somehow I doubt they would ever do that.

it'll be part of an agreement to bring back Delta mainline furloughs

 

[Freight Dog]

At what point is the DAL MEC going to stand up and say, no more?

Hmmm....

At what point are YOU going to stand up and say, no more?

 

[MJ42]

Just like they would never vote for 76 seaters right!

Sorry, lots of guys on property now that were not there last time. Tide is changing at DAL. Not gonna happen, BANK ON IT! DC-9's and MD88 not parked(at least over next few years). Any replacement WILL be flown at mainline, period! IMHO, you will see more shuffling of 900's to non W/O. That way DAL can park W/O 50 seaters and trade 900's for 50's(not 1 for 1 just like this deal) at non W/O, therefore enabling more 50's to be parked.

 

[crj567]

Well, let's see - someone mentioned how this all went down: Mesa to Comair to Pinnacle to Mesaba to ASA.

See anything in common there, perhaps something along the lines of pilot representation?

Now... Comair was furloughing, Mesaba was hiring. Mesaba requires new hires to resign seniority from their previous airline.

What do those two airlines have in common? See anything wrong with this picture?

How many airlines are flying as Delta Connection?

Now... ALPA will tell you that there is nothing they can do about it. I tend to disagree, but then again, what do I know...

Indeed-not much... Of course, the village moron usually doesn't.

-"Truthiness," indeed

 

[sweptback]

Hmmm....

At what point are YOU going to stand up and say, no more?

I don't follow.

 

[flyboyzz1]

sleep easy ASA FOs

 

[ohplease!]

Sorry, lots of guys on property now that were not there last time. Tide is changing at DAL. Not gonna happen, BANK ON IT! DC-9's and MD88 not parked(at least over next few years). Any replacement WILL be flown at mainline, period! IMHO, you will see more shuffling of 900's to non W/O. That way DAL can park W/O 50 seaters and trade 900's for 50's(not 1 for 1 just like this deal) at non W/O, therefore enabling more 50's to be parked.

right up until they get furloughed....then its the same old bunch.

dont worry too much though. Mainline is going to get quite a few widebodies out of the deal.

 

[MJ42]

right up until they get furloughed....then its the same old bunch.

dont worry too much though. Mainline is going to get quite a few widebodies out of the deal.

That's funny! You actually believe your fantasy land theory. We have no plans to furlough. Our entire list is changing its tune. Mid seniority level will not let it happen again, junior guys will not let it happen. Some senior guys might not care, but they will be grossly outnumbered. Keep dreaming, and have fun flying rj's the rest of your career!

P.S. I forgot you know it all, and have everything figured out. Thanks for enlightening us with your wisDUMB.

 

[ohplease!]

That's funny! You actually believe your fantasy land theory. We have no plans to furlough. Our entire list is changing its tune. Mid seniority level will not let it happen again, junior guys will not let it happen. Some senior guys might not care, but they will be grossly outnumbered. Keep dreaming, and have fun flying rj's the rest of your career!

nobody ever has plans to furlough dumbass...right up until "oops! we need to furlough".

your entire list has caved every time it came down to it (not a bad thing...smart plays actually) and after losing 50% of their pay and their retirement....theres no way in he!! they're going to sacrifice even more to fly 85-90 seat RJs.

9's/88's will be replaced with 73's, wide bodies and bigger RJs at DCI.

 

[MJ42]

nobody ever has plans to furlough dumbass...right up until "oops! we need to furlough".

your entire list has caved every time it came down to it and after losing 50% of their pay and their retirement....theres no way in he!! their going to sacrifice even more to fly 85-90 seat RJs.

9's/88's will be replaced with 73's, wide bodies and bigger RJs at DCI.

Like I said, you know it all(at least you think you do). Tell me oh wise one, why are we bringing DC-9's out of the desert? Why did we award a lot of DC-9 CA on this last award? Why was a memo sent out to DC-9 CA and F/O's looking for instructors? RA likes the DC-9 if fuel costs are low. RA hates 50 seaters and is doing what he needs to thin the fleet. RA does not like that there are so many DCI carriers, there won't be as many soon. Please teach me, I'd like to learn from some Auburn punk ass hick...

You seem very bitter towards DAL, kinda makes me think you wanted to work here. Must have been problems with the psyche test. :nuts:

 

[ohplease!]

Like I said, you know it all(at least you think you do). Tell me oh wise one, why are we bringing DC-9's out of the desert? Why did we award a lot of DC-9 CA on this last award? Why was a memo sent out to DC-9 CA and F/O's looking for instructors? RA likes the DC-9 if fuel costs are low. RA hates 50 seaters and is doing what he needs to thin the fleet. RA does not like that there are so many DCI carriers, there won't be as many soon. Please teach me, I'd like to learn from some Auburn punk ass hick...

I've already sent the tablets down the mountain for you to live by...you now have the vision.

nope. If I were to be bitter, it'd be toward NWA and RA. I've never had any desire to go to Delta. Just can't see myself beside such a pampas ass like yourself for more than just a few minutes.

 

[MJ42]

I've already sent the tablets down the mountain for you to live by...you now have the vision.

Good response! Just what I expect from someone who doesn't know sh!t.

 

[MJ42]

I've already sent the tablets down the mountain for you to live by...you now have the vision.

nope. If I were to be bitter, it'd be toward NWA and RA.SO WE TURNED YOU DOWN, TOO? I've never had any desire to go to Delta. Just can't see myself beside such a pampas ass like yourself for more than just a few minutes.

Since you modified your post I'll have to quote you again.

I AM FORMER NWA DUMBASS!

 

[ohplease!]

Good response! Just what I expect from someone who doesn't know sh!t.

lighten up pinhead before you blow a gasket.

good night sweetie