10 ex freedom 900's go to asa not mesaba

[CFI2766]

OK...

Why should Delta MEC care about which carrier or how many of them fly as Delta Connection?

His concern is gonna be to stop the bleeding of mainline flying to DCI as much as possible.

The onus to fix this whipsaw is going to be on regional MEC's, particularly WO's.

Personally, and I'm speaking from the outside here, I'd make it a goal to merge all Delta wholly-owned regionals into one, a'la Piedmont/Allegheny. It is a major uphill battle, yes. But in my opinion, it's a worthy one too.

It won't help you one iota to gain pay/work rules at one carrier when they'll shift the flying to another, cheaper carrier and now you're getting furloughed while another DCI carrier is hiring... and you won't be able to count on Delta MEC to help you because realistically, there's not much in it for them.

An accurate summary.

However, merging all the WO's (I guess that's the accepted acronym...) won't give them the horsepower to sway Delta to favor the WO's as long as the likes of ASA/SKYW, Chataqua (sp?), et al, are around.

I really don't see Delta pilots agreeing to any more erosion on their scope. I just don't see 100 seaters at ASA or anywhere else other than Delta. Overall, I think that is good for the pilot profession.

 

[jeroom]

I agree with the sentiment that no one really knows what will happen with the 200s between now and the spring of 2010. More $35/bbl. oil, the probability that the overall economy will be noticeably recovering, and the 200 might very well have a new lease on life. I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible.

All that being said, I'm not at all convinced that UAL will be a going concern in the spring of 2010; I don't think that a plan for 'saving' the 20 airframes should be dependent on UAL.

You don't seem to get it. The fact that oil is at that price today has nothing to do with the fact that someone has found new oil somewhere, or that suddenly it's cheap again... Oil price is a trend that fluctuate WITH the economy (and speculation), and doesn't really dictate the economy state. Oil price will go way up when the economy gets out of its coma.

 

[MJ42]

Hey MJ

You may not like Ohplease cause he puts it out there minus the PC, but he has a legit point, and often is spot on.

I can tell you, he knows first hand the BS that your hero, JA can feed.

ASA/Skywest Inc. has made a move that will be good in the long run. Everybody knows the 50 seat market is a dying one, and ASA made a significant investment to be ready for this day. I think they decided to take the 2 for 1 deal now and prove ourself worthy of future airframes.

ASA, finally is being run by a management team that has the ability, guts, and the finances to exactly what they want.

On another note, why is DAL parking 757's newly painted in the desert? Last week, they did.

Medeco

Oh please has a documented history of being wrong, easily confirmed by his posts.

Who is JA? Do you mean RA? If so, he's not my hero, but I think he is very good at running an airline. As is Skywest, Inc's management team.

I may have missed a communication of DAL parking newly painted 757's recently. Did a quick search and did not find anything to confirm your claim. What is your source? I know some older NWA 757's are scheduled to be parked, I don't know the time frame. This has been known for some time.

 

[XJohXJ]

I prefer "Yakety Sax"...ya know, the Benny Hill theme music. I think it sums everything up nicely.

Good call. What a show. It even had page 2 girls..

 

[Speedtape]

You don't seem to get it. The fact that oil is at that price today has nothing to do with the fact that someone has found new oil somewhere, or that suddenly it's cheap again... Oil price is a trend that fluctuate WITH the economy (and speculation), and doesn't really dictate the economy state. Oil price will go way up when the economy gets out of its coma.

Sorry--you are wrong! The cost of oil impacts everything in our economy! Plug in and Play!

 

[scarlet]

Yeah Delta will furlough =Oh Please is RIGHT...

And Oh Please most likely never wanted to go to Delta and upgrade in 15-20 years and be on reserve in JFK for years...or holding 16-17 days off a month at home, flying as captain, with young fun crews (I have been on Dl=crews suck) and spending time with family and friends EVERY MONTH.

 

[CFI2766]

You don't seem to get it. The fact that oil is at that price today has nothing to do with the fact that someone has found new oil somewhere, or that suddenly it's cheap again... Oil price is a trend that fluctuate WITH the economy (and speculation), and doesn't really dictate the economy state. Oil price will go way up when the economy gets out of its coma.

Does it really matter why oil is cheap to the the fuel pump on the a/c?

I'll simplify for you:

For reference, compare the price of a barrel of oil on the open market circa 1999. Then, compare the price of oil that we experienced in the summer of '08. 1999 economy: good. 2008 economy: bad.

Get my point?

I agree with you that the price of oil will be higher in the future. Beyond that, no one really knows.

The reason that I brought this up was to give one possible explanation to the idea that the 200 might have some useful life yet. Clearly, the 50 seat rj is not the wave of the future, but I'm not of the opinion that the airframe no longer has any value.

 

[JumpersAway]

A good number of those senior guys who were "bypassed" didn't actually put in a standing bid for 700 Captain. That's their fault not the company's. Like Ron White says...."you can't fix stupid"

There was nothing "stupid" about it and it wasn't our fault. It went to super seniority, which is why myself and the others got bypassed. Basically, you go back to your airplane as things become available for six months, then it's back to straight seniority- open to everybody on the seniority list. Just about all of us had a bid in for the 700. Hell, I even put one in for the ATR as a joke. I don't care if it's in a cessna- I just want to get back into the left seat of something.

Regarding the spool up of the training department, I wonder when it will begin and we will see the vacancies open up. Hopefully this is enough to keep our junior guys on, with no need to furlough. I'm not sweating the 1.5 year pay back with the 200's- something will come up, or enough people will have moved on to lessen the blow.

 

[777forever]

On another note, why is DAL parking 757's newly painted in the desert? Last week, they did.

Medeco

I HIGHLY doubt this...

 

[on autopilot]

And yet, another idiot chimes in!:nuts: What is your prediction based on? I never said we won't furlough, but there are facts as to why we probably don't need to, such as:

1) Early retirement programs will be offered.
2) LOA's offered(note #1 and 2 have been offered to all employee groups except pilots).
3) We (NWA) are not yet staffed to DALs staffing model.
4) Costly flowback. Our furloughs would have to be on the streets(IOW, at Compass and Mesaba) for over 2 years for DAL to re-coupe training costs and other furlough expenses.
5) If more than 450 pilots furloughed, DAL HAS TO start pulling seats out of 76 seat aircraft. Again, very costly.
6) We still have 777, 737 deliveries coming. DC-9's and MD-88 will not be parked in the near term. However, 50 seaters will be parked like you are starting to see.


What are the facts for your opinion? Oh, wait, there aren't any. Just your useless ramblings.

Again, in earlier posts(#27 and 69 for your reference), I just stated my opinion based on FACTS from DAL and DALPA. Why the need to get so upset over my original post? I was responding to someone else anyway.

There is something wrong with you guys. You hope for DAL furloughs for some odd reason. I never wish a furlough on anyone. You seem to take joy in saying DAL will furlough, when you have no factual basis for such a statement. I think it's a jealousy issue, why else would you wish a horrible fate on someone?

Are you a lawyer??

 

[jeroom]

Sorry--you are wrong! The cost of oil impacts everything in our economy! Plug in and Play!

I am plugged in and willing to play. Of course the cost of oil impacts everything in the economy. That wasn't the subject of my message. Concerning what I was saying about the preceding thread, the current oil at $35+/barrel is not there because suddenly oil is cheap! It is at this price because of the current state of the economy. Once the economy rebound, so will the price of oil.

 

[MJ42]

Are you a lawyer??

Um, no. But these are recent FACTS from the company and union. However, things can change by the minute in this industry. I'm not naive to think any differently. If someone is going to irresponsibly post inaccurate info on your company wouldn't you dispute it with facts?

Joyfully posting about any airline furloughing is just wrong. The only reasons these 2 do it is they think they are getting me upset. Unfortunately for them, I'm not upset. I just like to PROVE they are wrong, it's fun!

 

[flyboyike]

If someone is going to irresponsibly post inaccurate info on your company wouldn't you repute it with facts?

Not really, as it's becoming increasingly difficult to know what accurate is anymore.

 

[flyboyike]

True, but I believe company and union info instead of wild a$$ guesses from FI flamers.

Lately they seem just about equally "accurate".

 

[Medeco]

I HIGHLY doubt this...

My neighbor is a captain for DAL. He was telling me yesterday he flew one out there last week with new paint and seats, they did not tell him why that one, but he said you were parking 757's, I have not kept up with the details of what DAL is doing with which aircraft.

He and I just thought it was crazy to park one with fresh paint.

For what it is worth he figured about 100 pilots get furloughed at DAL.

I'm not hoping for this, just repeating what he said.

Medeco

Yes RA, not JA, and he will lie to you however he likes. He did it to the NWA mechanics in ATL back in 2001/2002.

 

[MJ42]

My neighbor is a captain for DAL. He was telling me yesterday he flew one out there last week with new paint and seats, they did not tell him why that one, but he said you were parking 757's, I have not kept up with the details of what DAL is doing with which aircraft. Fair enough, if he flew it to the desert then he should know. Just nothing from DAL indicating this happened(at least that I can find).

He and I just thought it was crazy to park one with fresh paint. Agreed.

For what it is worth he figured about 100 pilots get furloughed at DAL.I disagree, see a few posts ago as to my reasoning.

I'm not hoping for this, just repeating what he said.You and me both...at any airline, not just DAL.

Medeco

Yes RA, not JA, and he will lie to you however he likes. He did it to the NWA mechanics in ATL back in 2001/2002.

So far the pilot group has faith in RA. Hopefully he will not disappoint us. Can't speak for what happened in 2001, I don't know much about what happened.

 

[contrail67]

Fellow colleagues:
Early last month, Mesaba announced continued growth for our regional jet fleet with the addition of 15 CRJ-900 aircraft beginning in January 2009. This allotment resulted from our excellent operational performance, outstanding safety record, and demonstrated ability to facilitate rapid expansion while maintaining our low cost structure.
Recently, we were informed that Delta Connection will re-allocate 10 of these aircraft to Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA), as a part of their global strategy. Through this business agreement, ASA will remove 20 of their less efficient CRJ-200 aircraft from the Delta Connection fleet.
I want to be clear that this decision is not reflective of Mesaba, but rather an opportunity for Delta Connection to "right-size" its fleet for future market growth. Our strategy remains the same – provide safe, reliable service to our passengers, and manage our costs. This strategy has led to rapid growth for our airline in 2007 and 2008, and growth that will continue in 2009.
Mesaba will take delivery of five Delta CRJ-900s, (as originally planned) three on February 12 and two on February 19. Also beginning on February 19, we will operate all five aircraft from Salt Lake City, serving eight markets from Delta’s western hub. This acquisition allows us to become the largest operator of 76-seat aircraft in the Delta family, evidence that our core business structure remains strong.
While the reduced aircraft allotment may appear disappointing, the reality is that our airline continues to grow. We have continued to expand aggressively – adding 52 aircraft in the past 19 months – as other carriers are cutting back. While we have currently suspended hiring additional flight crews, we do not anticipate any furloughs to occur because of this decision, at this time.
This remains an exciting time for our airline as we stretch our service westward and continue to expand our fleet. I thank you, once again, for your dedication and service to Mesaba Airlines
Regards
John Spanjers
President
Mesaba Airlines


From apc

The major airline is the one who decides where the regional planes go...period.

 

[~~~^~~~]

My neighbor is a captain for DAL. He was telling me yesterday he flew one out there last week with new paint and seats, they did not tell him why that one, but he said you were parking 757's, I have not kept up with the details of what DAL is doing with which aircraft.

He and I just thought it was crazy to park one with fresh paint.

For what it is worth he figured about 100 pilots get furloughed at DAL.

I'm not hoping for this, just repeating what he said.

Medeco

So far those 757's are on a temporary vacation in VCV and will be back for the summer loads. Delta would rather pull down capacity and keep ticket prices profitable than chase too few customers with too many seats.

If bookings go forward as planned, no furlough. If bookings do not rebound after the winter lull, then possibly we'd see cuts.

The 767 is supposed to be overstaffed, but most all the reserves have been used right up to the max in December and a good many are hitting the greenslip trigger (double pay).

 

[BrickTop]

Just like they would never vote for 76 seaters right!

Scope will lose its strong arm just as Unions are in todays workforce. Watch closely, you WILL see 100 seat airplanes in the regionals someday. Guaranteed.

 

[Smacktard]

Does this mean I shouldn't go to the interview tomorrow?

So did you go? Was that today?