FLEXJETs 2NN IS A LIAR

[GE6108A]

I don't know when people who are working at Flex are going to figure it out, but your boss is a liar. NetJets isn't furloughing anybody and have fun working for free boys.

 

[gunfyter]

Must be April Fools

 

[GE6108A]

I saw the AIN article today about NetJets flying medical supplies from China to NYC. Some companies do the right thing without trying to advertise it. No press releases, no B.S. That was discovered via flight tracking unlike some companies who claim to support their frontline worker while they take their pay and benefits and claim to be a family.

 

[Hogprint]

I feel bad for the folks that voted to not decertify. They’re the ones that will bear the brunt of this. Rumor...and I stress Rumor, some are basically working for “free” over there. Can anyone confirm or deny?

 

[Dirty Squirrel]

I feel bad for the folks that voted to not decertify. They’re the ones that will bear the brunt of this. Rumor...and I stress Rumor, some are basically working for “free” over there. Can anyone confirm or deny?

False. Everyone is reduced to 10 days for month which is a guarantee. If one is flying for more days, they are paid a daily rate which the overage is banked and paid after 90 days. Some may argue that the extra days worked is “free”, but most unselfish right-minded people will embrace the temporary pay cut to keep everyone on the payroll.


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[imacdog]

Working now to maybe get paid three months down the line, at the very least is a loan to the company with negative interest. Then add in that your 401K match has been taken away.......

 

[MOMOMOJO]

False. Everyone is reduced to 10 days for month which is a guarantee. If one is flying for more days, they are paid a daily rate which the overage is banked and paid after 90 days. Some may argue that the extra days worked is “free”, but most unselfish right-minded people will embrace the temporary pay cut to keep everyone on the payroll.


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We could have achieved the same results, if not better, by simply temporarily shuttering the red label program.

You know I'm not wrong. Paying 1/3 of your pilot group up to 40% more to sit at home does not make sense.

In these trying times, I'm grateful to have a job and even more grateful I didn't make the jump to 121. I think biz-av will eventually score big when we get back to work but in the mean time the exhorbitant payroll costs of Red Label is hurting the pilot group as a whole right now.

To be honest, I'm happy we don't have a union right now. Swiftness and hard lines are the only way to stay afloat right now. Management has my support for the time being. I hope they are willing to do what's right for everyone, not just a chosen few.

 

[OPECJet]

We could have achieved the same results, if not better, by simply temporarily shuttering the red label program.

You know I'm not wrong. Paying 1/3 of your pilot group up to 40% more to sit at home does not make sense.

In these trying times, I'm grateful to have a job and even more grateful I didn't make the jump to 121. I think biz-av will eventually score big when we get back to work but in the mean time the exhorbitant payroll costs of Red Label is hurting the pilot group as a whole right now.

To be honest, I'm happy we don't have a union right now. Swiftness and hard lines are the only way to stay afloat right now. Management has my support for the time being. I hope they are willing to do what's right for everyone, not just a chosen few.

Don’t be surprised if you never see that money N2 is saying you’re going to get. Without the union you’re glad you don’t have, you have no recourse.


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[SDCFI]

To be honest, I'm happy we don't have a union right now. Swiftness and hard lines are the only way to stay afloat right now. Management has my support for the time being. I hope they are willing to do what's right for everyone, not just a chosen few.

Are you daft man?! Kenn's number one guiding principle is to take care of the chosen few while letting the rest feed on the scraps. Hence the existence of RL to begin with. I can almost buy dropping everyone to 10 days a month, esp if demand has dropped significantly. But not paying people for time worked over 10 days and more importantly suspending the 401k match for 90 days just plain sucks. While the match wasn't all that great that's def money you'll never get back. If Kenn is really hurting for cash that bad maybe he should ask Notre Dame for some of his money back.

 

[Brit]

Take it easy guys. If this aviation thing doesn’t work out, there’s always porn.

 

[Hogprint]

False. Everyone is reduced to 10 days for month which is a guarantee. If one is flying for more days, they are paid a daily rate which the overage is banked and paid after 90 days. Some may argue that the extra days worked is “free”, but most unselfish right-minded people will embrace the temporary pay cut to keep everyone on the payroll.


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Hence...why I said rumor. :0

 

[Propilot77]

Are you daft man?! Kenn's number one guiding principle is to take care of the chosen few while letting the rest feed on the scraps. Hence the existence of RL to begin with. I can almost buy dropping everyone to 10 days a month, esp if demand has dropped significantly. But not paying people for time worked over 10 days and more importantly suspending the 401k match for 90 days just plain sucks. While the match wasn't all that great that's def money you'll never get back. If Kenn is really hurting for cash that bad maybe he should ask Notre Dame for some of his money back.

All true!!! However most of the pilots at Flex have taken the bait hook, line and sinker that they are "family" and that 2NN and management have their backs. They are so stupid that if you took their brain out of their heads and put it into a chicken, the chicken would go to the butcher!

 

[el raton]

All true!!! However most of the pilots at Flex have taken the bait hook, line and sinker that they are "family" and that 2NN and management have their backs. They are so stupid that if you took their brain out of their heads and put it into a chicken, the chicken would go to the butcher!

Yet you still work there...what were you saying about brains, chickens and stupidity?

 

[SDCFI]

Take it easy guys. If this aviation thing doesn’t work out, there’s always porn.

Does watching Flextions pilots take it up the tailpipe constitute porn?

Yet you still work there...what were you saying about brains, chickens and stupidity?

Who do you think Propilot is cause I'm pretty sure they don't work there anymore.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Yet you still work there...what were you saying about brains, chickens and stupidity?

He hasn’t worked there for quite some time.

 

[Propilot77]

Yet you still work there...what were you saying about brains, chickens and stupidity?

So so wrong I haven’t worked for the ass clown operation for quite some time. If I remember correctly from my past employment there...your a 300 guy. ?

 

[el raton]

So so wrong I haven’t worked for the ass clown operation for quite some time. If I remember correctly from my past employment there...your a 300 guy. ?

I stand corrected. Nope, not a 300 guy.

 

[Propilot77]

I stand corrected. Nope, not a 300 guy.

Ok corrected.....but I still think your a 300 guy.

 

[V1 Rotate]

We could have achieved the same results, if not better, by simply temporarily shuttering the red label program.

You know I'm not wrong. Paying 1/3 of your pilot group up to 40% more to sit at home does not make sense.

In these trying times, I'm grateful to have a job and even more grateful I didn't make the jump to 121. I think biz-av will eventually score big when we get back to work but in the mean time the exhorbitant payroll costs of Red Label is hurting the pilot group as a whole right now.

To be honest, I'm happy we don't have a union right now. Swiftness and hard lines are the only way to stay afloat right now. Management has my support for the time being. I hope they are willing to do what's right for everyone, not just a chosen few.

And this exactly why Ricci does what he wants with you guys with zero recourse. Grow a spine, for crying out loud!

 

[Casa212]

So 2N took the bail out money. Now we got a group of socialist pilots on the government tit.
Hope he caught up your pay and 401k.

 

[Brit]

Socialist??? Eat $h!t Fu$@ Face! It’s not socialist to get paid what you’ve earned.

 

[Casa212]

You’re welcome
2N took my taxes dollars so he could pay you.
Maybe it’s not socialism, but it sounds like the premises of unionism, taking care of each other.

 

[SDCFI]

It's not socialism, it's a dictatorship where Kenn does what Kenn wants and you either kiss the ring and get a cushy Red Label spot, or don't and slave away for all eternity crammed in the front of a Phenis.

So is the 401k match coming back? And if so will they make up for the suspended contributions?

 

[Casa212]

So is it a grant or a loan y’all received?
IMO one is a government handout the other is debt incurred.
All in all at least the rank and file got their money.

 

[MOMOMOJO]

Don't quite see how he got the bailout money with more than 500 employees at Flexjet (the cutoff of what was defined as a small business).

If he got it for one of his smaller businesses and did it by the book what do I care?

 

[Casa212]

So You do not care, that the company you work for, that flys rich folks needs a government bail out to stay afloat.
The rank and file on the road doesn’t even know what’s happening at their company.
Ok head in the sand!
All good.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Don't quite see how he got the bailout money with more than 500 employees at Flexjet (the cutoff of what was defined as a small business).

If he got it for one of his smaller businesses and did it by the book what do I care?

OneSky Flight LLC of Cleveland, OH received $84.3M in payroll support. He didn’t apply for it as a small business.

This is likely why the payroll deferrals suddenly all got caught up with demand still being very low.

Payroll Support Program | U.S. Department of the Treasury

home.treasury.gov

 

[realityman]

OneSky Flight LLC of Cleveland, OH received $84.3M in payroll support. He didn’t apply for it as a small business.

This is likely why the payroll deferrals suddenly all got caught up with demand still being very low.

Payroll Support Program | U.S. Department of the Treasury

home.treasury.gov

Bingo! I'm not certain of the exact rules of taking the money, but it's likely he couldn't take the money while "owing" his employees pay. After all, the money is supposed to actually be to pay the employees. It seems like the true bellwether of things with KR is the 401K match. Things aren't really going well until that starts back up again. KR didn't keep his promise to pay up on all he owed to the pilots, the taxpayers did, to the tune of $84 million. Same old smoke and mirrors from KR.

Personally though, I hope things pick up for all of us, and Flex continues to provide some competition to Netjets. A little competition is good for the company to keep refining the product, and helps all the employees when it comes time for negotiations or raises. Plus, I don't want to see any aviators out there struggling. Pilots out of work struggle, and there's already enough of that in society.

 

[MOMOMOJO]

Yep, you're right I am keeping my head in the sand. After 50% +1 of our pilots chose to piss away any chance of a say in our future it is the only survival mechanism available to me now. Don't judge me for just trying to do whatever I have to do to no longer really give a $hit what Ricci does to/with his company as long as I can pay my mortgage and feed my kids.

The thing about Ricci is he is extremely consistent. There is nothing unpredictable about him. He will avail himself to whatever benefit there is in the system. He is very open about it and on the record with it so why this comes as a shock to anyone is mystifying and why anyone even cares anymore is more mystifying.

The only thing Ricci has ever done inconsistent with his liberal bent is be against a union. He was, after all, Clinton's personal pilot and he is quoted as saying one of the most leftist profs at Notre Dame is his mentor. He's made no secret of his true ideology if you actually listen. He's actually pretty honest when you think about it.

So listen to me as I bet I speak for the majority of pilots here now: I am the model employee - a broken man just looking to survive. I'm too old to go to the majors and too young to retire. So with no hope of a union ever beating him (even with the miniscule chance one would ever even be elected again he'll always win) I will just ride the Ricci wave as far as it takes me. Maybe I can even bend my knee far enough to be a Red Label demi-god and see my dick grow 10 inches longer or so I hear happens.

Kenn Ricci, to his credit, built this company on the backs of pilots as greedy as the day is long. He knew them better than they knew themselves. Sure, you may disagree with his methodology but give credit where credit is due: this little known (outside of aviation) billionaire did what even the great Warren Buffet has been unable to accomplish. It has nothing to do with the strength of your union but rather everything to do with how the game is played.

Idiots come up to me all the time trying to join in on the new secret union push. I want nothing of it. Life is too short.

 

[realityman]

When the heck was KR one of Clinton's personal pilots?! I flew for him from '91-'97. He certainly wasn't flying Clinton then. Haven't heard of him flying Clinton between `97 and now. There wasn't a single person I can think of that I worked with who ever mentioned KR ever flying for Clinton. He had started Corporate Wings well before I got there. He founded Corporate Wings in '81. I graduated college in '89, and remember applying for a flying job there that year. So was he flying for Clinton when he was freshly graduated from flight school? More ridiculous self-promotional lying from KR. Just like when he said he flew in the military. Yeah, uh, he was never in the military.