Word on the street about flex decertification effort...

[cougar12]

1108 will have every voter identified, it’s how they confirm you are eligible to vote. I doubt no voters would be invited to any job fairs post decertification....

I know there are pilots making lists of non supporters and sending them to their contacts at other Unions and carriers. I know one of them and his wife is in the HR department of a Major. That is how small Aviation is. Some pilots may think it’s unfair, other pilots realize this industry has great ups and down and if you can’t support the group your with no need to let them bring the plague to another pilot group!

Pilots look out for Pilots! Pilots don’t rely on the wims of Management. The wims of management is exactly what this decert is all about and the FW & PD have pulled this In House bait and switch routine in full colaberation with management. Just look at the constant barrage of company emails, texts and management staged at airport FBO’s to sell the decert!
If Management was truly impartial and stayed out of this Pilots group decision the FW & PD show would have failed before it even started!

 

[shanes123]

Very true. Just had a interview with a carrier. They seemed to know what’s going on here and carefully tried to feel out my stance. I’m sure a call to 1108 to check my standing will be coming. I would recommend every mig get a letter from the 1108 and take a pic of your card. This is real SHT. The rest of you deserve what you get.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Very true. Just had a interview with a carrier. They seemed to know what’s going on here and carefully tried to feel out my stance. I’m sure a call to 1108 to check my standing will be coming. I would recommend every mig get a letter from the 1108 and take a pic of your card. This is real SHT. The rest of you deserve what you get.

Truth. The humbling truth is I chose not to be an active participant in my time there and despite how supportive I still am it's not getting the traction I might need.

So now I'm being asked questions like "what committees did you serve on" and I have no reply. The questions won't be outright but they will find a way to guage your side.

I'm not making that mistake here. I'm already signed up to actively serve as soon as probation is over.

Going back and rethinking about my time at Flexjet and hearing the current talk from the other side, if I were still there I wouldn't be caught dead in an airport in that eyesore of a uniform with some bright red bag tags and a union bracelet.

At this point who cares if management knows your side. Thanks to Frank'n'Beans you now have to worry about pilots everywhere else knowing your side.

I just spoke with a Flex guy who just got hired by us. He proudly wore his IBT bracelet into the interview. It seemed to grease rhe wheels. That says it all right there.

 

[jetwash]

You may find you have to leave if they turn this place into the way it was pre Union. Have any of you spoken to the pilots who worked here before? Everyone I have spoken with tells the same brutal story. Switch fleets, go back to year one pay, 100% rolling rest, discipline for legitimate maintenance write ups and constant backstabbing by your coworkers. Grim...

That is the 100% truth.

The fence sitters should read that and take it to heart.

 

[rajflyboy]

More than anything, Union people believe in protecting what they have worked so hard to bargain for. When push comes to shove, if there is a doubt they will protect themselves. Fairness equals self protection.

How about the folks who would vote No to decertify then?

 

[MOMOMOJO]

How about the folks who would vote No to decertify then?

Why do you continue to pretend you are a union supporter and then reply something like this?

Absolutely the Union works to protect the best interests all pilots they represent. The proof is in the fact they are spending time and money to file a grievance on behalf of the very Red Label pilots who are working to decertify them.

The issue becomes about OTHER unions who have no duty to represent or protect Flexjet pilots and have every right to their own self protection. Those unions will simply find opportunities to give Flex pilots the cold should so they minimize the risk of anti-union cancer spreading to their ranks. It ain't rocket science so stop trying to find the gotcha clause.

 

[rajflyboy]

I get it momo

im only throwing this out there for some thought provoking

If Jimmy Doe voted to keep the union why should he be bypassed for future job opportunities?

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

Some of you have been known anti-union guys for a long time. One of you even lied to my face in order to get me to help you out with an interview. I'm not the only one keeping track. Don't bother trying to make false claims at this point.

 

[MOMOMOJO]

I get it momo

im only throwing this out there for some thought provoking

If Jimmy Doe voted to keep the union why should he be bypassed for future job opportunities?

The problem will be getting through to the opportunity to express your support. They simply will bypass Flexjet pilots in the early stages.

For those who served on committees or were especially string supporters I'm sure there will be some form of specific recommendation but outside of that good luck.

It sucks. But the fact remains if this an issue important to you, DO NOT LEAVE IT UP TO THE UNION TO CAMPAIGN FOR YOU! Every pilot concerned about this issue should be chatting up crewmates and FBO visitors every chance they get and explain how you don't want your career sidelined for a silly game.

 

[FLFlyer1]

Political correctness? I've never thought the union cares about political correctness. True advocacy and political correctness cannot co-exist.

I'm sure the guys in charge are smart enough to deny the existence of blacklist behavior but we all know the reality is quite different. Aa EnFeugo correctly pointed out the way it will probrably play out is the name Flexjet on your resume will be synonymous with pariah, union buster, traitor. Every major and national hiring committee contains dyed in the wool union members. Advancement recommendations at the early stage are usually always unanimous. Flexjet pilots will simply not be considered. Even if just that one guy passes on you, you're out.

If you choose to look at it as thugly that's your prerogative. But most pilots see it as neccessary. Say you're the seller for an extra piece of property that just happens to be next to your house. One applicant is a child molester and the other is not. Even if the child molester offers more, wouldn't you do everything to avoid his offer? Trust me Flexjet pilots will be looked every bit as disdainfully as the situation I just described.

There will be some who have worked on committees or are in union leadership who's individual names can and will be filtered down to those hiring committee seats on a case by case basis but for the average OneSky/Flexjet/Flight Options pilot that won't be the case.

Brutal yes but absolutely neccessary. Keep your trash outside of your kitchen and you stay free from rats.

KEEP IN MIND EVERY SINGLE PILOT'S UNION HAS SIGNALED THEIR SUPPORT VIA LETTER OR STATEMENT. EVERY SINGLE UNION.

I don't care what JW, RH or even our own Union leadership have to say about it. Right there in the fact they have all sent letters or made statements, even ALPA, is all the proof you need to see what this decertification drive means for the dismal future career prospects for almost every Flexjet pilot if it happens.

Even if you think it's unrealistic, I don't think it's a bet worth taking. Even if I never plan to leave or am too old to consider it, it's not a gamble I'm willing to take on behalf of my colleagues either.

I don't see where there's even a debate at this point.

G.G.

I guess i get confused because doesnt management hire at companies? I get lost at thr part where they would associate all of us as union busters and skip us? Doesnt make sense in a shortage.

Either youre qualified or not? Idk. I havent had issues when going through the process.

 

[MOMOMOJO]

G.G.

I guess i get confused because doesnt management hire at companies? I get lost at thr part where they would associate all of us as union busters and skip us? Doesnt make sense in a shortage.

Either youre qualified or not? Idk. I havent had issues when going through the process.

By contract union pilots and union committees are part of the hiring process. The fact that you don't know that proves you are not as experienced in the process as you claim.

Shortage or not, airline jobs are extremely hard to come by. Believe what you will but you're a fool if you want to gamble the careers of 600 people on your limited skills of deduction.

 

[Honorstudent]

FLFlyer1 don’t be so nieve to believe that Pilots at any company do not know whom does or does not support a Pilot Union and it does not matter what Pilot Group you are talking about, you share the cockpit with a fellow Pilot for just one rotation and you can bet the other Pilot knows. The point is if Flexjet Pilots as a whole decertify the 1108 that could be catastrophic for the careers of Pilots that do not intend to retire at Flexjet. Plane and Simple!

 

[ksu_aviator]

If we decertify, this place will become just a stepping stone. With a perceived risk of being blackballed, who would even risk coming here?

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We will be lucky to keep 50 planes staffed.

I don't see FLOPS keeping pilots or attracting new pilots either way.

 

[Hogprint]

I just have to ask one question...

What in KR’s sordid past makes the Decert crowd think he will keep his promises now? I have a friend w a personal story about Ol’ Kens promises. He posted it on our MB. I will get permission from him before I post here, but every one of you on the fence need to think long and hard about the Devil your getting ready to dance with.

 

[CALRepublic]

To my understanding, JetBlue, Alaska Netjets and even the mighty southwest are having trouble filling classes.

So FLOPS and Flex will find it particularly hard