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You said "merge the contracts". Flexjet doesn't have a contract. It makes it more complicated for Fishgold. Red Label is a current program at Flexjet, its not new. He can't just through out all of red label, just like he can't throw out our pay scales. So if you're expecting red label to completely disappear then you'll probably be disappointed. But if you're ok with a red label concept that has fair seniority rules, pay parity with the rest of the fleet, and fair schedules, then you might be satisfied
 
Club ORD FO said:
You said "merge the contracts". Flexjet doesn't have a contract. It makes it more complicated for Fishgold. Red Label is a current program at Flexjet, its not new. He can't just through out all of red label, just like he can't throw out our pay scales. So if you're expecting red label to completely disappear then you'll probably be disappointed. But if you're ok with a red label concept that has fair seniority rules, pay parity with the rest of the fleet, and fair schedules, then you might be satisfied
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I'm by no means an expert and you know more about the technicalities than I do. I guess what I mean by merge the contracts is to merge the current work rules and conditions including pay scales at both companies.

Red Label by its definition is a complete boondoggle seniority breaking union-busting tool. If the arbitrator puts those types of restrictions on it then it is no longer Red Label. So I would be okay with what you proposed. However if the arbitrator continues to have the company get cart blancos for their shiny turd 0program then yeah I'd be pissed.

I'm just pissed anyway. This has taken way too long for us to just get more of the same. Now I don't fault the union for it. PI know that is 100% the company trying to run the clock out until they can get to a December decertification process. I'm not stupid. My problem is that over half of our seniority list is that stupid. Well maybe not half but a scary amount
are.

What is it that we are one sky screwed? Do they even know they've made that mistake or do they expect me to sign on for desertification with a bunch of idiots who don't take the process seriously?
 
It does not appear that the clock will run out. Official word just came out that Arbritrator Fishgold will be making his award "within days". For better or worse.
 
Also there is no vote for decertification. You will have to vote for some other entity to replace the current entity.

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I don't see many peeps voting for PD or Anything associated with him!
 
A decert vote will be almost impossible. First of all, no one on that side is smart enough to run it. Red Label is not in the current contract, so how can the company open section 6, when our side cannot? MR and RA will be the next fall guys for 2N's failure.
 
GlorifiedCabbie said:
A decert vote will be almost impossible. First of all, no one on that side is smart enough to run it. Red Label is not in the current contract, so how can the company open section 6, when our side cannot? MR and RA will be the next fall guys for 2N's failure.
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Section 6 is already open. Has been for a while. They've had Several negotiating sessions. And in fact the company is currently under an order to bargain in good faith on section 6.

As for the vote for new representation, there's a couple guys leading the effort. But without yammer it'll be tough. The company can't email everyone as that would be interference. So I don't know what their communication plan is.
 
Bargain in good faith thats a Joke. Also on a side note I did a google of our lovely Arbitrator. seems he's made some real F UP ruling against employees. Looks like we couldn't have a worst arbitrator then this guy. NOT SUPRISED
 
Club ORD FO said:
Section 6 is already open. Has been for a while. They've had Several negotiating sessions. And in fact the company is currently under an order to bargain in good faith on section 6.

As for the vote for new representation, there's a couple guys leading the effort. But without yammer it'll be tough. The company can't email everyone as that would be interference. So I don't know what their communication plan is.
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Ever the optimist. Section 6 will go no smoother than anything else. In other words unless the union can pull a rabbit out of the hat the company will have no incentive to do much if they get to keep most of what they want. The emails from yesterday did not inspire much confidence we won any battle save some small ones.

As for the porn lounge I was surprised at the level of misinformation touted about. Even when they attempt to correct it, they still end up being less than truthful. I get that your perspective colors your message but come on.

I lost all respect for FW in particular because he is so careful to always present himself as neutral or only interested in the facts and that has been his biggest lie of all. I wonder how Legacy Captains in general feel about the impression he has they are not worthy of his elevated Red Label status.

I hate to admit it but KR is one slick son of a bitch. He played it like a master from the beginning. And we are going to suffer because of it.
 
KR is slick. That's how he got the reputation as the used car salesman of aviation.
Fishgold is arbitrating Section 1.5. Items not addressed in the current CBA, fall under Section 6.
 
FW is a POS and his only side he has ever taken is his own Now that he's in the G 650 maybe him and that other idiot that stalled the Global will end up in a Smoking hole together
 
All I know is one of the new 650 pilots stalled it Another cover up by the super pilot club. If that woulda been a Non Fok it woulda spread like wild fire. Stall a Global get promoted to a 650.
 
shanes123 said:
FW is a POS and his only side he has ever taken is his own Now that he's in the G 650 maybe him and that other idiot that stalled the Global will end up in a Smoking hole together
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I can’t believe you publicly stated your wish that our coworkers would die in a plane crash.
 
I would agree that that statement has no merit whatsoever and no matter what their viewpoint it is absolutely uncalled for to wish for the death of another human being. I at the beginning of the Union drive at FO was against it because of this very attitude of many of the people supporting it. I came to change my mind not because they changed but because I came to realize that management was also made up of people of the same tone that cared only about themselves. They were just not as crass.
 
Where did I say " I wish"? You stupid F. Twist my words for your Fake news I said maybe they will end up there do to their own incompetence never said I wished that you stupid worthless POS. You should be upgraded to the 650 you are as dumb as they are
 
Lack of talent? Kiss arse and this place will promote you. And BTW if they can't deliver the service, dazzle them with a distraction. A RL crew dressed up like Disney characters? Where did that waste of money come from?
 
Exactly. Days are numbered for a fatality. Another global just had a major lighting strike due to incompetence. Stalled a Global very recently and who knows what we don't hear. NO ONE wants to se a crash. It bad for the whole industry it almost a certainty here however between the Gittet done attitude and lack of brains running this place.
 
shanes123 said:
Where did I say " I wish"? You stupid F. Twist my words for your Fake news I said maybe they will end up there do to their own incompetence never said I wished that you stupid worthless POS. You should be upgraded to the 650 you are as dumb as they are
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That’s exactly what was communicated with the syntax of your words.

You of all people should no better. Happy Landings!
 

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