What the F@!&* is happening with Arbitration

[jetwash]

How will the ruling be handed down?

Will he just e mail the finished contract to the company and Union?
if so I assume that it will be posted and sent out right away since it is his decision.
I am sure a lot of questions will arise after it is out and has been read.

 

[Imissmypilot]

I trust my source when he says they have no clear indication of how he will rule and the smart move is to just wait and not piss him off by injecting an interpretation based on guesses.

To me the lines in between are indicating he has not yet ruled.

What's the adage about jury trials? Maybe this is a good thing. If union leadership says get ready for disappointment maybe the extra time is indicative he has not really decided on a solution. I will say though can you imagine how pissed we will all be with management if we waited 10 months for them to get everything they asked for? It's a gamble for both sides at this point. If Ricci is smart he shouldn't look for total victory here.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

If Fishgold does his job, neither side will be happy. That will give leverage to the Section 6 negotiations.

 

[Imissmypilot]

If Fishgold does his job, neither side will be happy. That will give leverage to the Section 6 negotiations.

If Fishgold adds Red Label to the mcba there will be no section 6 negotiations because the company will have gotten all it needs to continue forward with their plans to screw the rest of us. All of the rest is icing on the cake: they don't need it or require it for the master outline to continue. This is all about Red Label and always has been. If you can't see that then you haven't been paying attention. Red label isn't just a marketing plan, Red Label is Ricci's way to revolutionize the industry and decimate the union structure of aviation at least in the private sector.

If Red Label is a part of this mcba I don't see any other option then to march it right back to Judge Gwin for an appeal on the grounds Fishgold didn't merge the contracts yet rather added to them. And maybe that's Fishgold's plan after all and just needed to kick the can down the road. So we'll have more time waiting, more appeals that drain our coffers, more months at Flexjet without a real contract. Yippee.

That's one ****y plan. Hope I'm wrong and we're surprised Red Label will not be included in this contract.

 

[Bjtdrvr]

He can always put red label in but require it to be done by seniority. That keeps it for management and also gives it to the Union.

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And doing it by seniority would then allow furloughs if ever needed to be done in a correct manner.

 

[Club ORD FO]

You said "merge the contracts". Flexjet doesn't have a contract. It makes it more complicated for Fishgold. Red Label is a current program at Flexjet, its not new. He can't just through out all of red label, just like he can't throw out our pay scales. So if you're expecting red label to completely disappear then you'll probably be disappointed. But if you're ok with a red label concept that has fair seniority rules, pay parity with the rest of the fleet, and fair schedules, then you might be satisfied

 

[Imissmypilot]

You said "merge the contracts". Flexjet doesn't have a contract. It makes it more complicated for Fishgold. Red Label is a current program at Flexjet, its not new. He can't just through out all of red label, just like he can't throw out our pay scales. So if you're expecting red label to completely disappear then you'll probably be disappointed. But if you're ok with a red label concept that has fair seniority rules, pay parity with the rest of the fleet, and fair schedules, then you might be satisfied

I'm by no means an expert and you know more about the technicalities than I do. I guess what I mean by merge the contracts is to merge the current work rules and conditions including pay scales at both companies.

Red Label by its definition is a complete boondoggle seniority breaking union-busting tool. If the arbitrator puts those types of restrictions on it then it is no longer Red Label. So I would be okay with what you proposed. However if the arbitrator continues to have the company get cart blancos for their shiny turd 0program then yeah I'd be pissed.

I'm just pissed anyway. This has taken way too long for us to just get more of the same. Now I don't fault the union for it. PI know that is 100% the company trying to run the clock out until they can get to a December decertification process. I'm not stupid. My problem is that over half of our seniority list is that stupid. Well maybe not half but a scary amount
are.

What is it that we are one sky screwed? Do they even know they've made that mistake or do they expect me to sign on for desertification with a bunch of idiots who don't take the process seriously?

 

[Fresh Air]

It does not appear that the clock will run out. Official word just came out that Arbritrator Fishgold will be making his award "within days". For better or worse.

 

[shanes123]

Well This place has been for WORST since it started I don't see it changing now!!!

 

[Bjtdrvr]

Also there is no vote for decertification. You will have to vote for some other entity to replace the current entity.

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I don't see many peeps voting for PD or Anything associated with him!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

A decert vote will be almost impossible. First of all, no one on that side is smart enough to run it. Red Label is not in the current contract, so how can the company open section 6, when our side cannot? MR and RA will be the next fall guys for 2N's failure.

 

[Club ORD FO]

A decert vote will be almost impossible. First of all, no one on that side is smart enough to run it. Red Label is not in the current contract, so how can the company open section 6, when our side cannot? MR and RA will be the next fall guys for 2N's failure.

Section 6 is already open. Has been for a while. They've had Several negotiating sessions. And in fact the company is currently under an order to bargain in good faith on section 6.

As for the vote for new representation, there's a couple guys leading the effort. But without yammer it'll be tough. The company can't email everyone as that would be interference. So I don't know what their communication plan is.

 

[shanes123]

Bargain in good faith thats a Joke. Also on a side note I did a google of our lovely Arbitrator. seems he's made some real F UP ruling against employees. Looks like we couldn't have a worst arbitrator then this guy. NOT SUPRISED

 

[Imissmypilot]

Section 6 is already open. Has been for a while. They've had Several negotiating sessions. And in fact the company is currently under an order to bargain in good faith on section 6.

As for the vote for new representation, there's a couple guys leading the effort. But without yammer it'll be tough. The company can't email everyone as that would be interference. So I don't know what their communication plan is.

Ever the optimist. Section 6 will go no smoother than anything else. In other words unless the union can pull a rabbit out of the hat the company will have no incentive to do much if they get to keep most of what they want. The emails from yesterday did not inspire much confidence we won any battle save some small ones.

As for the porn lounge I was surprised at the level of misinformation touted about. Even when they attempt to correct it, they still end up being less than truthful. I get that your perspective colors your message but come on.

I lost all respect for FW in particular because he is so careful to always present himself as neutral or only interested in the facts and that has been his biggest lie of all. I wonder how Legacy Captains in general feel about the impression he has they are not worthy of his elevated Red Label status.

I hate to admit it but KR is one slick son of a bitch. He played it like a master from the beginning. And we are going to suffer because of it.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

KR is slick. That's how he got the reputation as the used car salesman of aviation.
Fishgold is arbitrating Section 1.5. Items not addressed in the current CBA, fall under Section 6.